The Future of Lissadell
Filled: June 21th 2011 by Straight Bananas
Best 4.99 I ever spent! What a race-wow! It is so funny to know that people will spend that much on any other pay per view for an irmaingay setting with actors or FOOD but to watch HISTORY being made by the world's best athletes-somehow it's just TOO much! Unbelieveable! Made my whole day to see Desiree come in almost first at an unbelieveable effort and Ryan Hall--even though he was 4th he still broke the american record-what a proud day for USA!!!!
18/03/2012 at 15:14 by rozell
Big help, big help. And superlative news of cursoe.
26/11/2011 at 15:42 by Kelis
With reference to Dee Dee Forte's comments :
All businesses from Malin to Mizen Head are struggling to survive in the Recession and are far from "money-grubbing". It should also not be forgotten that business is the lifeblood of any economy and society.
In addition, all aspects of our culture and heritage deserve public and private support.
All businesses from Malin to Mizen Head are struggling to survive in the Recession and are far from "money-grubbing". It should also not be forgotten that business is the lifeblood of any economy and society.
In addition, all aspects of our culture and heritage deserve public and private support.
13/09/2011 at 12:34 by charles henry
it would be helpful if there were more proposals as solutions to the rights of way problem and/or commentary on the merits of the alternative route.
12/09/2011 at 21:52 by charles henry
i am still seeing the same mantra being churned out by Keith. There will be no progress at any stage if this is the only solution on the table........... any compromise solution out there ???
11/09/2011 at 20:12 by Carney Folk
Ed, a privilege is a right and, I suggest, a right is a privilege. The following extract dictionary definitions [ref dictionary.com] defines privilege as …
“a right, ... or benefit enjoyed only by a person beyond the advantages of most ... “
“a special right, ... granted to persons in authority ...”
“a grant to an individual, corporation, etc., of a special right ... “
“the principle or condition of enjoying special rights or immunities.”
“any of the rights common to all citizens under a modern constitutional government”
Furthermore, a right is a privilege. In our society we tend to take rights for granted, failing to recognise the grand scheme or the greater good. For example, we claim the right to free primary and secondary education. Yet, from a greater perspective, such a right is most definitely a privilege! We claim the right to clean water. Surely the beneficiaries of such rights are indeed privileged!
Those who enjoy the benefit of the privilege of a right are under a greater obligation to ensure that the common good is served, or else the exercise of a right can too easily become nothing more than the abuse or exploitation of others. Is this the crux of the Sligo Council / Lissadell dilemma? Straight Bananas holds that the greater common good is not served when a small minority insist on the privilege of right of way since such a right makes the operation of Lissadell unsafe, impractical and unviable, in the long-term, for the benefit of the greater community,.
Straight Bananas also holds that the avoidance of fulfilling our obligation to the greater common good will have inevitable consequences. And this has nothing to do with DD’s allegations of “money grabbing”, but all to do with the future of our communities, society and economy; for example, of our children having jobs so that parents will see and enjoy their grandchildren. Whilst this, for example, is not a right in Irish law, it is surely a privilege to which most parents aspire!
Can the Lissadell Action Group work with others for a future that serves the greater common good or just there own agenda? Will the Public Servants on the executive of Sligo county council commit to serving all the people of Sligo, or simply follow the behest of LAG? To date there is little evidence of concern for the greater common good. Consequences are inevitable.
“a right, ... or benefit enjoyed only by a person beyond the advantages of most ... “
“a special right, ... granted to persons in authority ...”
“a grant to an individual, corporation, etc., of a special right ... “
“the principle or condition of enjoying special rights or immunities.”
“any of the rights common to all citizens under a modern constitutional government”
Furthermore, a right is a privilege. In our society we tend to take rights for granted, failing to recognise the grand scheme or the greater good. For example, we claim the right to free primary and secondary education. Yet, from a greater perspective, such a right is most definitely a privilege! We claim the right to clean water. Surely the beneficiaries of such rights are indeed privileged!
Those who enjoy the benefit of the privilege of a right are under a greater obligation to ensure that the common good is served, or else the exercise of a right can too easily become nothing more than the abuse or exploitation of others. Is this the crux of the Sligo Council / Lissadell dilemma? Straight Bananas holds that the greater common good is not served when a small minority insist on the privilege of right of way since such a right makes the operation of Lissadell unsafe, impractical and unviable, in the long-term, for the benefit of the greater community,.
Straight Bananas also holds that the avoidance of fulfilling our obligation to the greater common good will have inevitable consequences. And this has nothing to do with DD’s allegations of “money grabbing”, but all to do with the future of our communities, society and economy; for example, of our children having jobs so that parents will see and enjoy their grandchildren. Whilst this, for example, is not a right in Irish law, it is surely a privilege to which most parents aspire!
Can the Lissadell Action Group work with others for a future that serves the greater common good or just there own agenda? Will the Public Servants on the executive of Sligo county council commit to serving all the people of Sligo, or simply follow the behest of LAG? To date there is little evidence of concern for the greater common good. Consequences are inevitable.
30/08/2011 at 23:36 by keith mcnair
Ed D - you say \\\\\\\"the council cannot extinguish a right of way without a hearing\\\\\\\" - what does this involve? what is the process?
30/08/2011 at 20:45 by I Love Sligo
\"the privilege of a right of way\"
Keith, it is either a privilege or a right: it cannot be both.And the council cannot extinguish a right of way without a hearing - see Section 73 of the Roads Act 1993.
Keith, it is either a privilege or a right: it cannot be both.And the council cannot extinguish a right of way without a hearing - see Section 73 of the Roads Act 1993.
29/08/2011 at 21:33 by Ed Dantes
DD expresses the view that I have “some sort of special relationship” with the Walsh family. I have no obligation to the Walsh family, nor do I claim any vested interest, i.e. an interest with rights, in Lissadell. Straight Bananas holds that the Walsh family and many other citizens are very concerned that [a] Lissadell should be able to operate fully as a flagship attraction for the common good and [b] that the claimed rights of way is critical to this consideration. Furthermore Straight Bananas suggests that anyone engaged with business or community life in Sligo appreciates the great benefit that Lissadell can bring to all the people of Sligo, and not just a handful of people insisting on the privilege of a right of way. This benefit for our county is urgently needed by our communities, from many perspectives. So far it appears that this greater common good far exceeds any concern of the handful of people who are insisting on a right of way. However, minority rights are important in democratic society. Sligo Council should resolve this entire problem for everyone’s benefit by [a] extinguishing the rights of way and [b] ensuring the alternative route proposed in Straight Bananas is established as a right.
28/08/2011 at 20:39 by keith mcnair
Dee Dee. Your opinions are most welcome contributions to this blog. However, please note this is a public forum and I trust you will recognise that it is not appropriate to use terms like those used in your most recent post. The use of such phrases surely does not enhance the credibility of your position and does little to advance any understanding for the common good.
28/08/2011 at 19:45 by Keith McNair
Keith - You have your head so far up the arses of the Walsh/Cassidy clan that it is a surprise how you breathe air! You must be delighted that Lissadell is now open for 60 days. This has nothing to do with the public - it is a legal requirement so that the owners can get the tax breaks available. Money-grubbing yet again - but same as you, Keith!
28/08/2011 at 09:35 by Dee De Forte
From a total outsider's view, Sharon Flowers' suggestion seems sensible and practical: outer part of the estate plus tea room generally accessible, but the route by the house respected as private.
24/08/2011 at 12:05 by Alison Patterson
I am delighted to have this opportunity to express my views regarding Lissadell.
I have watched with admiration the way that the Walsh's have renovated Lissadell; not just the house, but the gardens, the Coach House, the grounds, and the various buildings on the estate. They provided much needed employment to builders, gardeners, employees in the tea shop, etc. In doing so, they increased the number of visitors 100 fold, making it the biggest tourist attracion in the North West. They, more than any other 'business' have significantly enhanced the economy in this part of Ireland. They are to be congratulated on their vision and investment. It beggars belief, then, that the County Council have succeeded in closing the whole business down. They are the same council who depedestrianised O'Connell Street, another crass economic decision. Please will someone see sense and get Lissadell
I have watched with admiration the way that the Walsh's have renovated Lissadell; not just the house, but the gardens, the Coach House, the grounds, and the various buildings on the estate. They provided much needed employment to builders, gardeners, employees in the tea shop, etc. In doing so, they increased the number of visitors 100 fold, making it the biggest tourist attracion in the North West. They, more than any other 'business' have significantly enhanced the economy in this part of Ireland. They are to be congratulated on their vision and investment. It beggars belief, then, that the County Council have succeeded in closing the whole business down. They are the same council who depedestrianised O'Connell Street, another crass economic decision. Please will someone see sense and get Lissadell
16/08/2011 at 19:42 by John Flower
My name is Sharon Flower. I, my husband John and all our family have been
disgusted by the way the 'Lissadell' fiasco has developed.My mother's
family is from Glencar and my association with the area goes back as long as
I do - 55 years. We used to visit Lissadell all through the years when it
was falling down, in the 70's and 80's. We never thought for a moment that
Lissadell would rise from the ashes and become the major north west tourist
magnet it became before the 'crunch'.We all stood by incredulous as this
farce lurched from being 'unbelievable' to a harsh reality in the face of
the worst recession ever seen in Ireland. We want the Walsh family to know
how much we value and support their efforts to bring Lissadell back to life.
Not only that, but they have brought employment, interest and huge potential
to an area where these things are badly needed.
Please let us get things back on track. We all think the proposed
alternative route around Lissadell is the perfect answer. I would be happy
to make a small donation towards the cost of making this a reality. A
circular walk around the demesne would be an asset to Lissadell, especially
if it were possible to access the tea rooms en route. I'm indebted to a
relative who sent your leaflet to us in England as we're always asking for
an update - usually at Laura's in Carney!
Regards and good luck!
Sharon
disgusted by the way the 'Lissadell' fiasco has developed.My mother's
family is from Glencar and my association with the area goes back as long as
I do - 55 years. We used to visit Lissadell all through the years when it
was falling down, in the 70's and 80's. We never thought for a moment that
Lissadell would rise from the ashes and become the major north west tourist
magnet it became before the 'crunch'.We all stood by incredulous as this
farce lurched from being 'unbelievable' to a harsh reality in the face of
the worst recession ever seen in Ireland. We want the Walsh family to know
how much we value and support their efforts to bring Lissadell back to life.
Not only that, but they have brought employment, interest and huge potential
to an area where these things are badly needed.
Please let us get things back on track. We all think the proposed
alternative route around Lissadell is the perfect answer. I would be happy
to make a small donation towards the cost of making this a reality. A
circular walk around the demesne would be an asset to Lissadell, especially
if it were possible to access the tea rooms en route. I'm indebted to a
relative who sent your leaflet to us in England as we're always asking for
an update - usually at Laura's in Carney!
Regards and good luck!
Sharon
12/08/2011 at 16:32 by Sharon Flower
The High Court has ruled there is a right of way in Ballintogher - see this week's Sligo Champion - on evidence similar to Lissadell's.
Any comments on this?
Any comments on this?
11/08/2011 at 16:01 by Noel Otley
I would be very happy to see Lissadell's gardens re-opened and Dermot Carey back in his job as its hard-working and exceptionally knowledgeable head gardener.
Meanwhile, the longer its first-class gardens are closed, the greater the extent of any damage and disrepair. After all the skilled and costly work carried out on their restoration, what an awful pity...
Meanwhile, the longer its first-class gardens are closed, the greater the extent of any damage and disrepair. After all the skilled and costly work carried out on their restoration, what an awful pity...
11/08/2011 at 11:35 by Fionnuala Fallon
Declan, you say the Walshs need to "get on the floor with their partners". What do you mean?
I think that, from a necessary legal position, it is in the Walshs' interest, as owners of Lissadell, to seek a speedy legal resolution to the current impasse.
It certainly is not in the interest of the people of Sligo for the current situation to be protracted.
Surely an acceptable win-win solution needs to be identiified that can be endorsed and acted on by Sligo Council and it inturn can present it to the owners to solve the current problems.
So far, it seems that the proposal contained in Streaight Bananas comes closest to achieving a solution that can accommodate everyone.
What do you think?
I think that, from a necessary legal position, it is in the Walshs' interest, as owners of Lissadell, to seek a speedy legal resolution to the current impasse.
It certainly is not in the interest of the people of Sligo for the current situation to be protracted.
Surely an acceptable win-win solution needs to be identiified that can be endorsed and acted on by Sligo Council and it inturn can present it to the owners to solve the current problems.
So far, it seems that the proposal contained in Streaight Bananas comes closest to achieving a solution that can accommodate everyone.
What do you think?
05/08/2011 at 18:19 by Keith McNair
If this is a discussion list/board, then there will never be a resolution.
But, it takes two to tango and the Walshe/Cassidys' need to get on the floor with their partners
But, it takes two to tango and the Walshe/Cassidys' need to get on the floor with their partners
03/08/2011 at 10:30 by Declan Foley
For the good of all of us who live in this beautiful county, this issue needs to be resolved - and as soon as possible to make Lissadell the tourist attraction it should be. For all concerned compromises will be required.
Des Kennedy.
Des Kennedy.
02/08/2011 at 09:41 by Des Kennedy
I\\\'ve just listened to the Sod Show (29/7) on doneganlandscaping.com blog, as pointed to by John. Fantastic to hear Keith promoting Sligo, giving such brilliant publicity to its many attractions - Strandhill, Carrowmore, Parke\\\'s Castle, Yeats, Lunasa, outdoor activities, surfing, angling, walking, horseriding, camping, etc.
The Lissadell discussion is very informative, fairly balanced and sensible. No doubt there will be many listeners to the show across the country pleased to hear that significant steps are being taken locally to try to resolve issues: every councillor and TD north and south now has a copy of SB; wide-ranging views and opinions are being analysed - local residents, relevant organisations, businesses, politicians, etc. Sounds like it\\\'s literally only 2 or 3 individuals who don\\\'t support Lissadell. Can anyone persuade them to see the bigger picture??
The Lissadell discussion is very informative, fairly balanced and sensible. No doubt there will be many listeners to the show across the country pleased to hear that significant steps are being taken locally to try to resolve issues: every councillor and TD north and south now has a copy of SB; wide-ranging views and opinions are being analysed - local residents, relevant organisations, businesses, politicians, etc. Sounds like it\\\'s literally only 2 or 3 individuals who don\\\'t support Lissadell. Can anyone persuade them to see the bigger picture??
01/08/2011 at 16:56 by I Love Sligo
John
Thank you for your comments. Please be assured that Peter Donnegan is more than willing to interview people regarding the County Council / Lissadell situation. Please contact him. I have every confidence that he will welcome input from people who have different views regarding how the situation should progress. Such dialogue can only be helpful and I am confident that many people will be very interested to hear and give due consideration to how you think a satisfactory resolution can be reached.
Do you have any particular comments or assessment of the points raised in the radion broadcast?
Thank you for your comments. Please be assured that Peter Donnegan is more than willing to interview people regarding the County Council / Lissadell situation. Please contact him. I have every confidence that he will welcome input from people who have different views regarding how the situation should progress. Such dialogue can only be helpful and I am confident that many people will be very interested to hear and give due consideration to how you think a satisfactory resolution can be reached.
Do you have any particular comments or assessment of the points raised in the radion broadcast?
01/08/2011 at 15:55 by Keith McNair
i hear Peter donegan taking sides again this time with Keith mc Nair.
wonder why he did not have the other side of the argument on his show and gave straighht bananas a whole 30 minutes of what is a 30 minutes show
http://blog.doneganlandscaping.com/2011/07/27/the-sodshow-july-29-a-lissadell-house-special/
wonder why he did not have the other side of the argument on his show and gave straighht bananas a whole 30 minutes of what is a 30 minutes show
http://blog.doneganlandscaping.com/2011/07/27/the-sodshow-july-29-a-lissadell-house-special/
01/08/2011 at 15:04 by john against
Girl Banana I wonder:
Have you ever been unemployed?
Are you employed?
If you are employed, what sector pays your salary?
Have you experience in creating and sustaining employment?
Yes, I did pay the 60 people. However, you refer to a reality that so many local buisness people are experiencing, namely that of being able to pay bills, to pay salaries, to cope with the strain of being able to keep businesses operating and to keep people in jobs. At present, like so many businesses, I owe a fortune and am owed a fortune. Cashflow is too tight. Have you Banana Girl, any idea what that is like? Let me assure you that many many other local businesses are struggling in the same way. Maybe you are ignorant of these pressures.
Unfortunately your comments come across as a sarcastic disregard for those who cannot get work and for those who are trying to create employment and suppprt local communities.
Lissadell, as a visitor centre and concert venue, achieved and wikl yet achieve so much in this regard. The communities of Sligo and the northwest need Lissadell and much more.
What can you contribute to achieve a solution that makes sense for everyone?
Have you ever been unemployed?
Are you employed?
If you are employed, what sector pays your salary?
Have you experience in creating and sustaining employment?
Yes, I did pay the 60 people. However, you refer to a reality that so many local buisness people are experiencing, namely that of being able to pay bills, to pay salaries, to cope with the strain of being able to keep businesses operating and to keep people in jobs. At present, like so many businesses, I owe a fortune and am owed a fortune. Cashflow is too tight. Have you Banana Girl, any idea what that is like? Let me assure you that many many other local businesses are struggling in the same way. Maybe you are ignorant of these pressures.
Unfortunately your comments come across as a sarcastic disregard for those who cannot get work and for those who are trying to create employment and suppprt local communities.
Lissadell, as a visitor centre and concert venue, achieved and wikl yet achieve so much in this regard. The communities of Sligo and the northwest need Lissadell and much more.
What can you contribute to achieve a solution that makes sense for everyone?
31/07/2011 at 11:30 by Keith McNair
you gave work to 60 people, woh, well done, what an entrepeneur you are! By any chance; DID YOU PAY THEM????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
30/07/2011 at 22:54 by girl bananna
This weekend last year, thanks to the Lissadell concerts, I was able to give work to 60 people, mostly young job-seekers from Sligo. Many other businesses did the same.
This year, many of those people have left Ireland.
People are this island\'s main resource. I believe it is inevitable that if we continue to fail to create and support local employment our communities will reap serious consequences.
This year, many of those people have left Ireland.
People are this island\'s main resource. I believe it is inevitable that if we continue to fail to create and support local employment our communities will reap serious consequences.
30/07/2011 at 13:12 by Keith McNair
Carney Folk's views help develop a broader understanding. There is too much at stake just to ignore Lissadell. Together we can think beyond that to which we are used to help us achieve a win-win solution for everyone. Without a win-win solution the Lissadell problem will not go away.
Rest assured, the Walsh family want many more people to enjoy Lissadell. It is true that Lissadell was never enjoyed by so many people as when it came under the Walsh's care and ownership. There are however considerable safety and management responsibilities that must be addressed if Lissadell is to function and be enjoyed by even more people - even anyone! The longterm viability and operation of Lissadell also carries substantial financial considerations which everyone, apart from the Walshs, has ignored.
Surely Lissadell is not simply a matter of the preferences of a realtively few people who have become accustomed to walking across the property? And yet I am confident that this group of locals can be accommodated if they, as friends of Lissadell, help Lissadell go forward.
It seems most people see the sense in respecting the privacy and security of the main house as a family home as well as providing a safe environment for the house, gardens and stable yard as a visitor centre.
The Walshs are, I am sure, upset and anxious about the future of Lissadell and as responsible owners they must protect the integrity of the property in their charge. When they bought Lissadell nobody registered any question of rights of way. The Walshs also secured a sworn declaration form the previous owner that no rights of way had ever been granted. Therefore was not everyone who accessed Lissadell, without the express permission of the owners, essentially a tresspasser? It was on this basis alone that the judge ruled that there are rights of way - where tresspass became a right.
The fencing at Lissadell, though sad, certainly is not a joke. The fencing might seem extreme to some people, but the recent court judgment has serious implications for every landowner - and so far everyone has ignored these - or maybe just not fully realised the implications. In solving Lissadell we all need to take this into account.
Carney Folk says that the beach walk is not option. It would be helpful to understand why. Personally, I think it is by far a much more pleasant route than the lower avenues. As is the proposed route from the sea front through the Coilte land to the Carney road. It especially has huge potential as a local ammenity.
Rest assured, the Walsh family want many more people to enjoy Lissadell. It is true that Lissadell was never enjoyed by so many people as when it came under the Walsh's care and ownership. There are however considerable safety and management responsibilities that must be addressed if Lissadell is to function and be enjoyed by even more people - even anyone! The longterm viability and operation of Lissadell also carries substantial financial considerations which everyone, apart from the Walshs, has ignored.
Surely Lissadell is not simply a matter of the preferences of a realtively few people who have become accustomed to walking across the property? And yet I am confident that this group of locals can be accommodated if they, as friends of Lissadell, help Lissadell go forward.
It seems most people see the sense in respecting the privacy and security of the main house as a family home as well as providing a safe environment for the house, gardens and stable yard as a visitor centre.
The Walshs are, I am sure, upset and anxious about the future of Lissadell and as responsible owners they must protect the integrity of the property in their charge. When they bought Lissadell nobody registered any question of rights of way. The Walshs also secured a sworn declaration form the previous owner that no rights of way had ever been granted. Therefore was not everyone who accessed Lissadell, without the express permission of the owners, essentially a tresspasser? It was on this basis alone that the judge ruled that there are rights of way - where tresspass became a right.
The fencing at Lissadell, though sad, certainly is not a joke. The fencing might seem extreme to some people, but the recent court judgment has serious implications for every landowner - and so far everyone has ignored these - or maybe just not fully realised the implications. In solving Lissadell we all need to take this into account.
Carney Folk says that the beach walk is not option. It would be helpful to understand why. Personally, I think it is by far a much more pleasant route than the lower avenues. As is the proposed route from the sea front through the Coilte land to the Carney road. It especially has huge potential as a local ammenity.
30/07/2011 at 13:04 by Keith McNair
i have read this blog and am so annoyed at the direction it has gone.
I am a walker and enjoyed my walks in Lisadell for years. I don't get involved in all the waffle thats goes on but today i have decided to put in a note.
I have and will continue to walk through lisadell. I do not, nor do i intend to, walk by the house.I walk to the back BARRIER near the tea house. I had great time for the new owners and felt they had done a great job.i now feel the owners are like cranky children who have had their favourite toy taken away. The barriers and fences are a sad joke and I really feel the message they are sending is "our way or no way"...........how sad is this...
All my respect for the owners has gone.
The beach walk option is NOT AN OPTION.
I will continue to walk as I have for years.
I am a walker and enjoyed my walks in Lisadell for years. I don't get involved in all the waffle thats goes on but today i have decided to put in a note.
I have and will continue to walk through lisadell. I do not, nor do i intend to, walk by the house.I walk to the back BARRIER near the tea house. I had great time for the new owners and felt they had done a great job.i now feel the owners are like cranky children who have had their favourite toy taken away. The barriers and fences are a sad joke and I really feel the message they are sending is "our way or no way"...........how sad is this...
All my respect for the owners has gone.
The beach walk option is NOT AN OPTION.
I will continue to walk as I have for years.
30/07/2011 at 11:34 by Carney Folk
It might be helpful to find out the following:
(i) Has the Council Tourism Strategy Committee published its strategy, and if so, how can the public access this document?
(ii) Is Lissadell included in the Council's strategy?
(iii) Can members of the public make contributions or suggestions to the strategy, and if so, how?
(i) Has the Council Tourism Strategy Committee published its strategy, and if so, how can the public access this document?
(ii) Is Lissadell included in the Council's strategy?
(iii) Can members of the public make contributions or suggestions to the strategy, and if so, how?
24/07/2011 at 22:52 by I Love Sligo
On July 8th below Sean said if only Sligo could see the situaton from the councils position.
It would be helpful if Sean or someone else, even someone from Sligo council, could clarify or explain their position.
Michael Carty, a signatory to the Lissadell Action Group press release, claiming rights of way across Lissadell, which resulted in Lissadells closure, is a salaried senior council executive. His pay is drawn from the revenue generated by Sligo's businesses. He is also chairman of Sligo council's tourism strategy committee. However, he chooses not, even refuses, to speak with or explain his position regarding Lissadell to members of the public, especially fellow citizens who are stakeholders in Sligo's tourism industry.
Is this not unjustifiable, irresponsible and unacceptable behaviour from a senior local public servant? It suggests he is either incomptent or ill-disposed towards the people of Sligo.
He and anyone else is welcome to share their views on this blog. Through communication his concerns can be identified, understood and addressed.
It would be helpful if Sean or someone else, even someone from Sligo council, could clarify or explain their position.
Michael Carty, a signatory to the Lissadell Action Group press release, claiming rights of way across Lissadell, which resulted in Lissadells closure, is a salaried senior council executive. His pay is drawn from the revenue generated by Sligo's businesses. He is also chairman of Sligo council's tourism strategy committee. However, he chooses not, even refuses, to speak with or explain his position regarding Lissadell to members of the public, especially fellow citizens who are stakeholders in Sligo's tourism industry.
Is this not unjustifiable, irresponsible and unacceptable behaviour from a senior local public servant? It suggests he is either incomptent or ill-disposed towards the people of Sligo.
He and anyone else is welcome to share their views on this blog. Through communication his concerns can be identified, understood and addressed.
20/07/2011 at 18:33 by Keith McNair
A number of us associated with Straight Bananas have been conducting wide ranging consultations, locally and further afield, gathering views and suggestions etc, in addition to those expressed in this blog. All this information will be used to help achieve a win-win solution for everyone concerned about Lissadell - the owners, the council, locals, Sligo residents and visitors to Sligo. We continue to find that the proposed alternative route is central to any resolution.
If you have specific ideas, concerns or suggestions that you would like us to take into account then either post them on this blog or email them to info@straightbananas.eu
If you have specific ideas, concerns or suggestions that you would like us to take into account then either post them on this blog or email them to info@straightbananas.eu
15/07/2011 at 16:11 by Keith McNair
has sligo gone bananas.lissadell closed,my self and at least 22 of my co.workers let go,and the dreams and wishes of people ruined, the walled kitchen garden growing half wild, all because of a short cut across private propety to the beach.
the locals of county sligo are at the greatest loss here, so please get off the fence and act to support private
enterprise
former lissadell head gardener.
dermot carey.
the locals of county sligo are at the greatest loss here, so please get off the fence and act to support private
enterprise
former lissadell head gardener.
dermot carey.
15/07/2011 at 12:21 by dermot carey
Just reading the site I would love to know who is "Dee dee forte" and is that her/his real name? I mean she/he is carrying some baggage. For what it's worth I consider the owners dead right and the loss to the whole economy of Sligo viz a viz tourism is appalling. I had already decided months ago never to vote for a councillor again unless the give a clear commitment on this issue and the closing of O'Connell st. which is left the town centre like crap. I don't care who is responsible for the website. It is in the interest of all of Sligo to resolve this issue amicably. How would "Dee dee" feel if people trampled all over her property willy nilly at all hours?
14/07/2011 at 15:15 by pam barnes
Our consultations in many different sectors locally and elsewhere see the proposed alternative route as a viable achievable solution. Do you, Dee Dee, have any problems with it?
13/07/2011 at 13:59 by keith mcnair
The only "broad support" for the proposed alternative route is that given by you and your cronies, Keith. You still haven't told us who are the "local businesses" you claim to represent.
And John - did you get "scalded" by the closure of Lissadell?
And John - did you get "scalded" by the closure of Lissadell?
13/07/2011 at 13:15 by Dee Dee Forte
Reading the tone and rudeness in this blog is making me quite annoyed...surely all this slagging only adds to the un-necessary heat surrounding this issue. The Walshes as the owners have a perfect right and responsibilty to protect the security, safety and integrity of their lands and property.(They know only too well how quickly folk 'go legal') The proposed compromise route skirting the estate is perfectly logical..the public route to the beach is still available and the whole plan allows the owners the right to quietly enjoy their House.
If it is thought possible again to re-open as an attraction, then no more than any other business, there needs to be access times/gates,open at 10am and closing at 5pm or dusk in the winter. No sane business-person allows its customers free rein through its buildings or lands.It's not rocket science..We are where we are, so let's stop the arguing.
If it is thought possible again to re-open as an attraction, then no more than any other business, there needs to be access times/gates,open at 10am and closing at 5pm or dusk in the winter. No sane business-person allows its customers free rein through its buildings or lands.It's not rocket science..We are where we are, so let's stop the arguing.
11/07/2011 at 18:34 by john stygall
Robert what would be really helpful is to apply the same sense of critical thinking to the very real issues raised in Straight Bananas with regard to the "extra class" Lissadell.
Are there any points raised in Straight Bananas with regard to the county council / Lissadell fiasco with which you disagree in fact and for which you can offer an alternative, workable solution. Regardless of who owns Lissadell, regardless of the county council, are we not fools not to have Lissadell functioning as the world class visitor centre that it is?
Are there any points raised in Straight Bananas with regard to the county council / Lissadell fiasco with which you disagree in fact and for which you can offer an alternative, workable solution. Regardless of who owns Lissadell, regardless of the county council, are we not fools not to have Lissadell functioning as the world class visitor centre that it is?
11/07/2011 at 10:15 by Keith mcnair
Whilst your introduction re the Straight Bananas might entice a wry smile and amuse us all who love to pillory bureaucrats it has one fatal flaw. It has no basis in fact. As the attached for the BBC Website states;
Was the European Union trying to ban straight bananas, or bent ones? This story goes back so far that a lot of people are no longer sure quite what the scandal was about. They just remember that Brussels seemed to be taking an unhealthy interest in the shape of this fruit.
If it's abnormally curved, it's not Class I
Here is the correct answer: the commissioners have no problem with straight bananas, it's the crooked ones they don't like so much, but they have never banned them. As Commission Regulation (EC) 2257/94 puts it, bananas must be "free from malformation or abnormal curvature". In the case of "Extra class" bananas, there is no wiggle room, but Class 1 bananas can have "slight defects of shape", and Class 2 bananas can have full-on "defects of shape".
No attempt is made to define "abnormal curvature" in the case of bananas, which must lead to lots of arguments. Contrast the case of cucumbers (Commission Regulation (EEC) No 1677/88), where Class I and "Extra class" cucumbers are allowed a bend of 10mm per 10cm of length. Class II cucumbers can bend twice as much.
Was the European Union trying to ban straight bananas, or bent ones? This story goes back so far that a lot of people are no longer sure quite what the scandal was about. They just remember that Brussels seemed to be taking an unhealthy interest in the shape of this fruit.
If it's abnormally curved, it's not Class I
Here is the correct answer: the commissioners have no problem with straight bananas, it's the crooked ones they don't like so much, but they have never banned them. As Commission Regulation (EC) 2257/94 puts it, bananas must be "free from malformation or abnormal curvature". In the case of "Extra class" bananas, there is no wiggle room, but Class 1 bananas can have "slight defects of shape", and Class 2 bananas can have full-on "defects of shape".
No attempt is made to define "abnormal curvature" in the case of bananas, which must lead to lots of arguments. Contrast the case of cucumbers (Commission Regulation (EEC) No 1677/88), where Class I and "Extra class" cucumbers are allowed a bend of 10mm per 10cm of length. Class II cucumbers can bend twice as much.
08/07/2011 at 21:29 by Robert McDaid
Sean - your comments about the owners are unnecessarily rude, entirely false, and thankfully are clearly unrepresentative of the views of the vast majority of people, many of whom it would seem, are most eager to find a helpful resolution to the crisis. Indeed many are landowners themselves, who fully appreciate the implications of the judge\'s decision. Try as I might, Sean, it has always been very difficult to see the situation from the council\'s point of view, as you suggest. Why did Lissadell in particular have to be held up as some kind of example or \'test case\' by the council? Why did the council carry out secret meetings with a small underground unrepresentative group about Lissadell and its owners? Why were councillors not given the opportunity to debate the issues? Why were councillors discouraged from taking any action once they rightly realised the enormous risks for Lissadell?
08/07/2011 at 18:46 by I Love Sligo
Sean thank you for your comments. I personally appreciate your forthright expression, though i disagree with its accuracy. To help further understanding, can you please clarify what specific information about the "Lissadell case", contained in Straight Bananas, you think is "false and misleading". In order for the people of Sligo, or anyone, to give credence to your view, please provide specific examples from the publication.
Can you please also clarify, with examples, how the Walsh family have been "extremely unhelpful and nasty". It is important that you refer to facts that you can stand over, either from personal experience or documentary evidence, and not simply hearsay, opinion or prejudice.
I suggest that you bear in mind, even comment on the following.
1. The Walsh family bought Lissadell as private property. They are responsible for managing its safety and have been running it as an enterprise. Lissadell is not a public park, and has never been enjoyed by so many citizens than when it was operated as a visitor centre by the Walsh family.
2. That the Walsh family are duty bound to do all in their power, legally, to protect the integrity of their property.
I would also be interested to read why you think Lissadell should be in State ownership.
Can you please also clarify, with examples, how the Walsh family have been "extremely unhelpful and nasty". It is important that you refer to facts that you can stand over, either from personal experience or documentary evidence, and not simply hearsay, opinion or prejudice.
I suggest that you bear in mind, even comment on the following.
1. The Walsh family bought Lissadell as private property. They are responsible for managing its safety and have been running it as an enterprise. Lissadell is not a public park, and has never been enjoyed by so many citizens than when it was operated as a visitor centre by the Walsh family.
2. That the Walsh family are duty bound to do all in their power, legally, to protect the integrity of their property.
I would also be interested to read why you think Lissadell should be in State ownership.
08/07/2011 at 15:57 by Keith McNair
Neither the Walshs nor Sligo Council paid for this web site nor the Straight Bananas publication. This website is owned by Straight Bananas Ltd and I own Straight Bananas Ltd. All this information is publicly available.
This website blog is fully independent of both the Walsh family and Sligo County Council. its purpose is to provide a free, open, public forum for citizens to express their concerns about the County Council / Lissadell crisis, to debate and discuss the issues and to work together towards a win-win resolution.
This website blog is fully independent of both the Walsh family and Sligo County Council. its purpose is to provide a free, open, public forum for citizens to express their concerns about the County Council / Lissadell crisis, to debate and discuss the issues and to work together towards a win-win resolution.
08/07/2011 at 15:32 by Keith McNair
Just a couple of items from the last post. I have not seen anywhere that this publication has been paid for by the owners of Lissadell House. Even IF it was, at least this is an attempt at engaging with all sides to come up with a non-legal solution to the issues. I would also just like to point out that Lissadell House has never been owned by the state, so it can never be \"back in state ownership\". The state had its chance to buy the house on the open market and choose not to. The Walshe\'s on the other hand have done a major job in restoring the house and grounds to their former glory. Finally lets not fool ourselves about the wonders of state ownership. Coole Park in Galway was demolished while owned by the state, Hazelwood House was put up for auction by the land commission in 46 with a condition that the buyer demolish the house. Thankfully this was avoided.
08/07/2011 at 15:21 by Joe Carty
I am disgusted that the Walshes have payed for this publication, presented it as being independent and used it to spread false and misleading information about the Lissadell case and to shamelessly attack Sligo County Council. I urge the people of Sligo not to be fooled by them and not to believe a word written in it. If only Sligo could see the situation from the Council\'s point of view. The Walshes have been extremely unhelpful and nasty, to say the very least, from the very beginning. Even now, they have put rocks and tree trunks on the edges of every road on the estate, so that they can, to the best of their ability, spoil the enjoyment of anyone who visits the historic estate. I hope that I live to see the day when Lissadell House is back in State ownership, where it belongs.
08/07/2011 at 14:12 by Seán Prendergast
Well said, Joe.
07/07/2011 at 13:16 by I Love Sligo
This is a very devisive subject and while people are entitled to their own opinions I don't think it is helpful for either side to be questioning vested interests. This carry on simply muddies the waters of the real problem. The simple fact is that the Walsh's have spend huge amounts of their own money to restore an important amenity for Sligo tourism at no cost to the taxpayer and were building up important tourist numbers for Sligo. I dont see anyone else bringing acts like Leonard Cohen to Sligo and the thousands of euro that came with it.
It is not impossible to find a solution to this problem and I think if people focused more on the issues at hand, such as why an important tourist attraction and employer has been forced to close rather than on individuals backgrounds we might get to a solution quicker.
It is not impossible to find a solution to this problem and I think if people focused more on the issues at hand, such as why an important tourist attraction and employer has been forced to close rather than on individuals backgrounds we might get to a solution quicker.
07/07/2011 at 12:56 by Joe Carty
Yes I did run coaches to the concerts. Yes I do prublish the Discover Sligo magazine. yes I do run a tour business. Yes I do want to attract people to Sligo. Yes I do want to create and sustain employment in Sligo. And?
It's becoming clear though what you do.
DD you seem to misunderstand the meaning of "vested". Vested means that someone has rights in a particular activity or interest. I have no rights with regard to Lissadell, but if you read Straight Bananas and address the issues it raises, you might have something useful to say which can help resolve the Council / Lissadell mess for everyone's benefit.
But so far you have chosen not to do that.
Our consultations are continuing to show that there is very broad support for the proposed alternative route. What do you think of it?
It's becoming clear though what you do.
DD you seem to misunderstand the meaning of "vested". Vested means that someone has rights in a particular activity or interest. I have no rights with regard to Lissadell, but if you read Straight Bananas and address the issues it raises, you might have something useful to say which can help resolve the Council / Lissadell mess for everyone's benefit.
But so far you have chosen not to do that.
Our consultations are continuing to show that there is very broad support for the proposed alternative route. What do you think of it?
07/07/2011 at 12:49 by keith McNair
Readers might notice the lack of any reference to Keith McNair's VERY vested interest in Lissadell.
Keith provided the bus/coach services for those attending the Cohen and Westlife concerts there last July.
How much did you pocket out of that bit of business, Keith ?
No wonder you want Lissadell to re-open !
Keith provided the bus/coach services for those attending the Cohen and Westlife concerts there last July.
How much did you pocket out of that bit of business, Keith ?
No wonder you want Lissadell to re-open !
07/07/2011 at 12:35 by Dee Dee Forte
I like the play on the bananas theme, but No Bananas, your use of the "jurisdictionally sensitive" carries a hint of the intense parochial attitude so prevelant in sectors on this island. It's one of the reasons so many people chose to leave this country.
Enniskillen is a mere 40 miles from Lissadell. We live & work in the European Union. Sligo can compete on a global stage. The Council / Lissadell issue is not, nor will be allowed to remain simply a "Sligo issue".
It seems you and DD avoid, or maybe arent capable of addressing, the real issues.
Maybe if you can clarify what you think are "self-serving half-truths and selective deduction", it might help others understand the difficulties you have with the proposed alternative route and help identify how this entire problem could be solved for everyone's benefit.
Is that something you might entertain?
Enniskillen is a mere 40 miles from Lissadell. We live & work in the European Union. Sligo can compete on a global stage. The Council / Lissadell issue is not, nor will be allowed to remain simply a "Sligo issue".
It seems you and DD avoid, or maybe arent capable of addressing, the real issues.
Maybe if you can clarify what you think are "self-serving half-truths and selective deduction", it might help others understand the difficulties you have with the proposed alternative route and help identify how this entire problem could be solved for everyone's benefit.
Is that something you might entertain?
05/07/2011 at 17:57 by keith mcnair
Dee-Dee & No Bananas: Your contributions are interesting and have clarified Keith\'s extensive involvement in Straight Bananas (as if it wasn\'t already clear). It doesn\'t matter to me who\'s side he might be on - his efforts to create a forum for discussion about Lissadell are most welcome. There is simply no other open forum at all where anyone and everyone can make a comment, submit an idea and just have a rant. From what I understand, there is much conversation and discussion going on about Lissadell and its future. So why not let everyone in on it?
Gerry O\'D: \"Those pressing for a right to pass and repass close to the house are just being bloodyminded and should be compelled by law to accept the proposed alternative route\" - your idea is very interesting. Do you think it is possible legally to do this?
Gerry O\'D: \"Those pressing for a right to pass and repass close to the house are just being bloodyminded and should be compelled by law to accept the proposed alternative route\" - your idea is very interesting. Do you think it is possible legally to do this?
05/07/2011 at 16:57 by I Love Sligo
Who is the \\\'us\\\' behind straightbananas? Who could be so coy and at the same time so jurisdictionally sensitive that they would go to Fermanagh to register a company with a mailing address in Sligo? Who would employ the services of Discovery Promotions to create, front and publish such a concoction of spin, self-serving half-truths and selective deduction? Who could have so exhausted the patience and trust of so many creditable local and national media organs that in order to generate any further publicity, they would be reduced to creating their own – Straightbananas registered May 2011? Who could be so conceited as to imagine that such a shoddy and transparent pretence of open debate and impartial comment would wash? Who\\\'s got a straight banana?
04/07/2011 at 23:32 by Yes we have no bananas
Isn\'t it hard to believe that a year has gone by since the Lissadell Concerts? Remember the euphoria of ticket holders? Would we need wellies? The relief that bills could be paid because of the income generated? Hopes of more concerts in the future? The possibilites of cashing-in on this influx of visitors? Friends and families from all corners of the globe excitedly planning their route? No accommodation for miles? The Lissadell Concerts brought back home family members who in such recent years had chosen not to go on the dole here in Ireland, but rather to leave our shores in search of any kind of work, any kind of life. The impression given was that \"Sligo made it happen\". For the sake of those who have had to leave in search of work, whose families long for another Lissadell reunion, those feeling deflated and frustrated at our inertia and inaction, Sligo must make it happen.
04/07/2011 at 10:49 by I Love Sligo
Robert, thanks for your comments. I agree: “The owner of land does not have a supreme right over the common good.” Our challenge is achieve the greater common good.
I’ve been involved in tourism in Sligo for nearly 30 years. To me Lissadell’s value as an international resource is greatly under-estimated. 40k visitors are insufficient, but Lissadell attracted 70k people last year. It could double this quite easily. 100k visitors centre customers is a key target.
Lissadell didn’t avail of grant aid and can be viable. Compare this to many other grant-aided projects.
Lissadell’s distinctive architecture doesn’t have to be aesthetically appealing to be of interest. On closer examination one might find its architectural merit quite surprising. Lissadell might only now becoming alive!
I respectfully suggest it is incumbent on each of us, and deeply ethical, to do all to sort this situation out before it returns to court. 1000 people attempted this before the High Court took place, but our elected representatives and council executive refused to listen. It will be better for everyone if a resolution can be achieved before the Supreme Court as the Supreme Court is unlikely to provide a win-win outcome.
I’ve been involved in tourism in Sligo for nearly 30 years. To me Lissadell’s value as an international resource is greatly under-estimated. 40k visitors are insufficient, but Lissadell attracted 70k people last year. It could double this quite easily. 100k visitors centre customers is a key target.
Lissadell didn’t avail of grant aid and can be viable. Compare this to many other grant-aided projects.
Lissadell’s distinctive architecture doesn’t have to be aesthetically appealing to be of interest. On closer examination one might find its architectural merit quite surprising. Lissadell might only now becoming alive!
I respectfully suggest it is incumbent on each of us, and deeply ethical, to do all to sort this situation out before it returns to court. 1000 people attempted this before the High Court took place, but our elected representatives and council executive refused to listen. It will be better for everyone if a resolution can be achieved before the Supreme Court as the Supreme Court is unlikely to provide a win-win outcome.
03/07/2011 at 01:12 by keith mcnair
Your reasoning is over simplified. The owner of land does not has a supreme
right over the common good. The value of Lisadell as a tourist attraction is
overstated. It will never be viable at 40,000 visitors per annum (Knock
Shrine 1,500,000). Will it end up like Sligo Airport, getting €3,000,000 pa
of taxpayers money to subsidise it, (AND SUPPORT 30 LOCAL JOBS AND A
MYTHICAL SPIN OFF OF JOBS)? Architectually it is a dreadful looking building
without a single redeeeming feature. As this case is under appeal and you
quite rightly point out that major taxpayer\'s money is at stake it is
unethical that anyone should use the airwaves or any form of social network to influence the outcome of a
Court case.
Robert Mcdaid
right over the common good. The value of Lisadell as a tourist attraction is
overstated. It will never be viable at 40,000 visitors per annum (Knock
Shrine 1,500,000). Will it end up like Sligo Airport, getting €3,000,000 pa
of taxpayers money to subsidise it, (AND SUPPORT 30 LOCAL JOBS AND A
MYTHICAL SPIN OFF OF JOBS)? Architectually it is a dreadful looking building
without a single redeeeming feature. As this case is under appeal and you
quite rightly point out that major taxpayer\'s money is at stake it is
unethical that anyone should use the airwaves or any form of social network to influence the outcome of a
Court case.
Robert Mcdaid
02/07/2011 at 20:57 by Robert McDaid
A colleague spoke recently with another local tourism business couple whose son graduates this year. One would think their long-established business could provide employment for their son. However, in the current climate their business struggles to survive. Their son, and the local hurling team, is emigrating. Will he return? Will they get to enjoy their grandchildren? It is beyond question that 70,000+ visitors to Lissadell would make it a lot easier for their son to stay. These are real reasons, DD.
02/07/2011 at 18:40 by keith mcnair
I recently spoke with a young mother who runs a small local tourism business. The current economic turmoil and declining tourism numbers are an immense personal strain. She is more than a year behind with her mortgage. She struggles each week to feed her children. Her story is typical of many. These are real reasons, DD.
02/07/2011 at 18:16 by keith mcnair
The resolution of disputes before they reach court is certainly preferable.
Saehan Media was referred to by DD. Recently someone who was at Lissadell’s Leonard Cohen concert contacted me, having just toured Belfast for the first time. 100 years ago Ireland was a world-leading industrial powerhouse with the world’s biggest shipyards, tobacco factory, glass & rope works, linen production. Today all that’s gone. We may be top in software exports, but we should bear in mind what happens. Technology changes and industries move. Saehan is regretfully a local example. As a community we are responsible our future. Sligo has many world-class tourism resources. Lissadell is one that is part of Sligo. The proposed route outlined in Straight Bananas greatly enhances the local area and could enable Lissadell to operate again, creating and supporting local employment.
Saehan Media was referred to by DD. Recently someone who was at Lissadell’s Leonard Cohen concert contacted me, having just toured Belfast for the first time. 100 years ago Ireland was a world-leading industrial powerhouse with the world’s biggest shipyards, tobacco factory, glass & rope works, linen production. Today all that’s gone. We may be top in software exports, but we should bear in mind what happens. Technology changes and industries move. Saehan is regretfully a local example. As a community we are responsible our future. Sligo has many world-class tourism resources. Lissadell is one that is part of Sligo. The proposed route outlined in Straight Bananas greatly enhances the local area and could enable Lissadell to operate again, creating and supporting local employment.
02/07/2011 at 18:11 by keith mcnair
Why don't you set up a stall outside Sligo Courthouse offering to resolve the disputes between litigants attending there? What is your REAL interest in getting into a dispute between two parties which is the subject of an appeal to the Supreme Court?
No more lies and deception, Keith - like the ludicrous claim on your Discovery Tours website under "Faculty" that Edmund Henry is a "former State solicitor in County Sligo." On what planet, Keith???
No more lies and deception, Keith - like the ludicrous claim on your Discovery Tours website under "Faculty" that Edmund Henry is a "former State solicitor in County Sligo." On what planet, Keith???
02/07/2011 at 11:39 by Dee Dee Forte
Dee Dee you are afraid, I think, that Straight Bananas is a “mouth piece” for the Walshs. I understand your concern but look again at the stated aim of this blog, look at the contributors, look at what each one has said.
The blog is an open forum, independent of the Walshs and Sligo Council. In other words, it is not owned or controlled by either of these two groups. It is an open public forum for anyone – that includes you, the Walshs, Sligo Council, witnesses, locals, others - to explore the issues in the Straight Bananas document and to discuss what should be done about the Council / Lissadell problem – to get a solution.
It will be good if you can continue to work with that aim as you could make a very valid contribution.
The blog is an open forum, independent of the Walshs and Sligo Council. In other words, it is not owned or controlled by either of these two groups. It is an open public forum for anyone – that includes you, the Walshs, Sligo Council, witnesses, locals, others - to explore the issues in the Straight Bananas document and to discuss what should be done about the Council / Lissadell problem – to get a solution.
It will be good if you can continue to work with that aim as you could make a very valid contribution.
01/07/2011 at 23:33 by keith mcnair
Dee-Dee, I am not \'Keith\' - although I must say I am flattered that you consider my \'prose style\' to be in any way similar to that of Keith\'s, which is excellent if Straight Bananas is anything to go by! But back to the Lissadell Solution, do you have a view on this at all? Would you like to see a resolution? Do you have anything constructive to add to the discussion? Are you happy with the way things have turned out? Should we just leave things as they are?
01/07/2011 at 20:41 by I Love Sligo
Keith - again I ask : how can you claim that Straight Bananas "is a forum distinct from....the Walshs" when YOU ARE Straight Bananas - the one and only shareholder- AND YOU gave evidence on behalf of the Walshs in their court case?
01/07/2011 at 20:16 by Dee Dee Forte
The Supreme court will determine what aspects of the judgment are worthy of appeal. It has been reported that both Sligo council and the Walshs will appeal. Apparently the council want 24/7 access as well as possibly access for all types of vehicles. One asks is it appropriate to allow articulated trucks etc access on narrow avenues that can hardly mange car traffic as well as to allow trucks along fragile stone walled lanes that are part of an officially protected structure. Where is the sense in this?
One of the central goals of Straight Bananas as a forum distinct from Sligo County Council and the Walshs, is to assist in the discussion necessary to achieve a resolution. That might even avoid further court action.
Straight Bananas is concerned that a successful appeal by the Walsh family could be detrimental for some locals. Straight Bananas has proposed the alternative route as a solution for all parties. It needs further discussion to look at its merits and to identify any areas that need further attention.
Unfortunately court cases can be expensive and at times people find they need to seek the refuge of the law to settle disputes. All power to the people of Sligo, especially Sligo’s elected representatives, if they can achieve a resolution to the County Council / Lisadell problem.
And certainly, every effort, and more, is needed to promote Sligo as the world-class tourist destination that it is, especially given the crippling impact of the recession on so many businesses and the community crisis of rising unemployment.
One of the central goals of Straight Bananas as a forum distinct from Sligo County Council and the Walshs, is to assist in the discussion necessary to achieve a resolution. That might even avoid further court action.
Straight Bananas is concerned that a successful appeal by the Walsh family could be detrimental for some locals. Straight Bananas has proposed the alternative route as a solution for all parties. It needs further discussion to look at its merits and to identify any areas that need further attention.
Unfortunately court cases can be expensive and at times people find they need to seek the refuge of the law to settle disputes. All power to the people of Sligo, especially Sligo’s elected representatives, if they can achieve a resolution to the County Council / Lisadell problem.
And certainly, every effort, and more, is needed to promote Sligo as the world-class tourist destination that it is, especially given the crippling impact of the recession on so many businesses and the community crisis of rising unemployment.
01/07/2011 at 17:49 by Keith McNair
Hi Des. It’s good to be able to facilitate people asking questions. It is only through answering people’s questions that we might achieve a resolution. This blog aims to facilitate that process.
The proposed solution / alternative route needs to be thoroughly discussed. This will take time. Maybe this blog can help with that process.
Straight Bananas understands the council was not in talks for 5 years with the Walsh family about proposed rights of way. In fact the Walsh family operated Lissadell from the time of purchase for a number of years without any issues regarding rights of way from Sligo County Council. It has since emerged that during this period Sligo council had been directing Lissadell Action Group to prepare a file to support a claim for rights of way.
It’s a pity the Walsh family were not advised in advance by the council about the proposed amendment to the county development plan to claim the Lissadell avenues as public roads. It’s also a pity this amendment to the county plan was not made available for public consultation. Normally county development plans are made available for the public.
The proposed solution / alternative route needs to be thoroughly discussed. This will take time. Maybe this blog can help with that process.
Straight Bananas understands the council was not in talks for 5 years with the Walsh family about proposed rights of way. In fact the Walsh family operated Lissadell from the time of purchase for a number of years without any issues regarding rights of way from Sligo County Council. It has since emerged that during this period Sligo council had been directing Lissadell Action Group to prepare a file to support a claim for rights of way.
It’s a pity the Walsh family were not advised in advance by the council about the proposed amendment to the county development plan to claim the Lissadell avenues as public roads. It’s also a pity this amendment to the county plan was not made available for public consultation. Normally county development plans are made available for the public.
01/07/2011 at 17:48 by Keith McNair
many questions and not many solutions, I really don't think bringing the matter to the supreme court is going to solve anything, except line many senior councils pockets! The county Council were in talk for 5 years before the Walsh-Cassidys brought the matter to court. It need not have ever come to this bitter and expensive dispute. If however Discover Sligo tours would like to help out on the Tourism numbers, you might throw in some Euros behind the "Team Sligo" campaign in September. It's run by independents who do it for FREE, because we Love our county and want to see it getting the exposure that it truly deserves . . . It's all about positive collaboration, not unnecessary and expensive court cases.
01/07/2011 at 16:49 by Des Faul
Straight Bananas’ aim is to facilitate discussion and comment especially with regard to the proposed alternative route, whether by way of positive or critical assessment to help achieve clarity of understanding and explore possible agreement.
In this context, by way of clarity, especially for locals and others familiar with the area, on the western section between the Forge and Johnsport, the proposed route does not traverse but rather circum-navigates Mr Seamus Walsh’s property through Lissadell property.
In this context, by way of clarity, especially for locals and others familiar with the area, on the western section between the Forge and Johnsport, the proposed route does not traverse but rather circum-navigates Mr Seamus Walsh’s property through Lissadell property.
01/07/2011 at 16:31 by Keith McNair
Saehan Media was almost in your (and Debbie's) back yard, Keith. Lissadell is miles away from you. Why were you not concerned with more local issues? Is it because the Saehan workers put little or nothing in YOUR pocket?
30/06/2011 at 22:41 by Dee Dee Forte
Sean, no-one is indispensible. No resource, even Lissadell, is beyond value. However, Sligo’s tourism continues to decline, our nation’s economy is in crisis, 1000 people a week are leaving our country, a slow motion tsunami of destruction is sweeping through our communities. The clock is ticking ever more loudly.
In this context, I, and many, many others, believe that Lissadell, as restored by the Walsh family, has a proven ability to make an immensely positive, sustainable contribution to Sligo’s well-being, culturally, economically and socially – and that it is foolish and irresponsible for us, the people of Sligo, not to secure a workable solution to the current County Council / Lissadell problem..
In this context, I, and many, many others, believe that Lissadell, as restored by the Walsh family, has a proven ability to make an immensely positive, sustainable contribution to Sligo’s well-being, culturally, economically and socially – and that it is foolish and irresponsible for us, the people of Sligo, not to secure a workable solution to the current County Council / Lissadell problem..
30/06/2011 at 22:01 by Keith McNair
From a Sligo native with no stake in either side: Mr McNair: the optics for you are not good. Dee Dee: I don't like your bitter tongue, but I tend to agree with you, full transparency please, or you'll be meaningless. Lissadell is not crucial to Sligo Tourism. There's much more besides, luckily. Finally, if a family wants to live in a national treasure, they must be prepared to accommodate the public. This Walsh Cassidy clan are, I assume, no fools.. .what did they think would happen?
Sean. Thank you for your blog post; the aim of which is to explore what should be done with regard to the County Council / Lissadell problem, given our increasing economic problems and Lissadell’s importance as a flagship attraction.
As people engage with the task of this blog, many will, understandably, experience anxiety, for example, with regard to the identity and motivation of participants. Personally, I don’t mind if some blog contributors prefer to use a pen name. However, concerning myself, I have used my real name and my business details are on public record. I have also stated very clearly the aim of this blog and provided a document, Straight Bananas, for open, public discussion with the invitation that anyone can contribute comments, and especially identify concerns, questions or points of disagreement with the information contained in Straight Bananas.
By contrast, what has Dee Dee disclosed. For whom does DD work? For whom does DD speak, etc?
What really matters is: What do you, what does DD, what do others think of the information contained in Straight Bananas, especially the alternative route identified by people living beside Lissadell?
Sean. Thank you for your blog post; the aim of which is to explore what should be done with regard to the County Council / Lissadell problem, given our increasing economic problems and Lissadell’s importance as a flagship attraction.
As people engage with the task of this blog, many will, understandably, experience anxiety, for example, with regard to the identity and motivation of participants. Personally, I don’t mind if some blog contributors prefer to use a pen name. However, concerning myself, I have used my real name and my business details are on public record. I have also stated very clearly the aim of this blog and provided a document, Straight Bananas, for open, public discussion with the invitation that anyone can contribute comments, and especially identify concerns, questions or points of disagreement with the information contained in Straight Bananas.
By contrast, what has Dee Dee disclosed. For whom does DD work? For whom does DD speak, etc?
What really matters is: What do you, what does DD, what do others think of the information contained in Straight Bananas, especially the alternative route identified by people living beside Lissadell?
30/06/2011 at 21:46 by Keith McNair
Ok Keith. If you are so concerned about the local economy, tell us what you did e.g when Saehan Media closed down? Did you set up a website to protest against the proposed closure? Did you print and distribute leaflets in support of the workers about to lose their jobs? NO - because there was nothing in it for YOU.
Here is a constructive proposal: why don\'t you and your \"group\" of local businesses (still unidentified) put in a bid for Lissadell? You could get it for a knock-down price now. You and your friends have your own homes, so you would not have to worry about children \"NEARLY\" knocked down by cars. Rights of way could cause you no problems. In your own words, Keith, it\'s a WIN - WIN situation! Do it, Keith - you and your friends put your money where your mouths (or tried to be secret website) are!! WIN- WIN. (Credit due- you gave your website design to Klaus Fischer, Dromahair)
Here is a constructive proposal: why don\'t you and your \"group\" of local businesses (still unidentified) put in a bid for Lissadell? You could get it for a knock-down price now. You and your friends have your own homes, so you would not have to worry about children \"NEARLY\" knocked down by cars. Rights of way could cause you no problems. In your own words, Keith, it\'s a WIN - WIN situation! Do it, Keith - you and your friends put your money where your mouths (or tried to be secret website) are!! WIN- WIN. (Credit due- you gave your website design to Klaus Fischer, Dromahair)
30/06/2011 at 21:33 by Dee Dee Forte
DD, once again, I am not posting entries under the name “I love Sligo” and I accept that you have no way of proving or disproving this. Maybe all you can do is invite “I love Sligo” to disclose their identity.
DD you have made a number of “wrong calls” in this blog – for example, saying the girls photographed in Straight Bananas are Walsh children. To me you displays a deep sense of distrust. All I say in response to this, at this point in time are two things.
1. To repeat the aim of this blog: “Lissadell, as a flagship attraction to Sligo and the Northwest, is too important to ignore, especially given the country's increasing economic problems. It's up to all of us to help find a solution. What should be done?”
2. I am confident DD has much to contribute to this discussion, should he or she chose to engage with it constructively and with confidence.
DD you have made a number of “wrong calls” in this blog – for example, saying the girls photographed in Straight Bananas are Walsh children. To me you displays a deep sense of distrust. All I say in response to this, at this point in time are two things.
1. To repeat the aim of this blog: “Lissadell, as a flagship attraction to Sligo and the Northwest, is too important to ignore, especially given the country's increasing economic problems. It's up to all of us to help find a solution. What should be done?”
2. I am confident DD has much to contribute to this discussion, should he or she chose to engage with it constructively and with confidence.
30/06/2011 at 20:40 by Keith McNair
Dee Dee,
Please join with others trying to find a solution to this problem.
Where do you stand on the issues?
charles henry
Please join with others trying to find a solution to this problem.
Where do you stand on the issues?
charles henry
30/06/2011 at 20:26 by charles henry
Keith - stop writing as "I love Sligo."
You can't dodge forever the questions you don't like, and refuse to answer!
You can't dodge forever the questions you don't like, and refuse to answer!
30/06/2011 at 18:31 by Dee Dee Forte
With all due respect, Sean, tourism numbers (visibly on the ground) are up significantly in other parts of Ireland - Sligo and the North West region is, by comparison, very quiet. Many of those involved in the tourism business in the area attribute this decline in numbers directly to closure of Lissadell, the fact that there are no concerts taking place this year and so on. Also, just to point out that a great many people want a resolution to the current situation precisely because the current owners have been so accommodating with the public, providing jobs, investing in the area, creating a beautiful place to visit and enjoy, creating a tourist attraction that we're all so proud of, preserving local and national heritage, as well as being so dynamic and proactive in promoting the region.
30/06/2011 at 12:24 by I Love Sligo
From a Sligo native with no stake in either side: Mr McNair: the optics for you are not good. Dee Dee: I don't like your bitter tongue, but I tend to agree with you, full transparency please, or you'll be meaningless. Lissadell is not crucial to Sligo Tourism. There's much more besides, luckily. Finally, if a family wants to live in a national treasure, they must be prepared to accommodate the public. This Walsh Cassidy clan are, I assume, no fools.. .what did they think would happen?
30/06/2011 at 09:31 by sean mac caba
One phrase in "i love sligo" (which was not posted by me) does resemble a phrase i use - namely, local, national and international.
Lissadell can attract visitors from all over the world. This is the sort of attraction we need to bring in desperately needed revenue from overseas. It will also enable our children to choose to stay in the country of their birth.
I wonder what DD thinks of the collusion between Sligo Co Co and LAG that has resulted in Lissadells closure and denying the people of this area the opportunity to earn their living.
The alternative route makes this possible.
Lissadell can attract visitors from all over the world. This is the sort of attraction we need to bring in desperately needed revenue from overseas. It will also enable our children to choose to stay in the country of their birth.
I wonder what DD thinks of the collusion between Sligo Co Co and LAG that has resulted in Lissadells closure and denying the people of this area the opportunity to earn their living.
The alternative route makes this possible.
30/06/2011 at 00:19 by keith mcnair
Dee Dee does touch on something useful. The Sligo County Council / Lissadell fiasco does have a major all Ireland relevance.
Tourism numbers to the NW region of Ireland continue to decline. Lissadell, as the flagship attraction in the NW can help address this deficit.
I wonder what is the attitude of people like Dee Dee to the economic and social loss caused by Lissadell being closed.
Tourism numbers to the NW region of Ireland continue to decline. Lissadell, as the flagship attraction in the NW can help address this deficit.
I wonder what is the attitude of people like Dee Dee to the economic and social loss caused by Lissadell being closed.
30/06/2011 at 00:06 by keith mcnair
Oh dear, Keith. Your prose "style" is readily identifiable - you really should stop writing here under various aliases !
Still waiting for you to name the businesses you claim to represent.
For someone so concerned about OUR economy - why did you spend your money going to Companies Made Simple in London, to register Straight Bananas Ltd. in Northern Ireland? Not much benefit to OUR economy there, Keith.
We know the answer - you thought you could hide. The reason you gave earlier is bullshit. You are very familiar with the Companies Registration Office in Dublin -
Business name registered there June 1999 - Discover Sligo-Land of Heart's Desire.
Registered company October 2005 - Discover Sligo Ltd.
Business name registered October 2008 - Discovery Tours.
So why have a London firm set up your company, Straight Bananas Ltd. in Northern Ireland?
Still waiting for you to name the businesses you claim to represent.
For someone so concerned about OUR economy - why did you spend your money going to Companies Made Simple in London, to register Straight Bananas Ltd. in Northern Ireland? Not much benefit to OUR economy there, Keith.
We know the answer - you thought you could hide. The reason you gave earlier is bullshit. You are very familiar with the Companies Registration Office in Dublin -
Business name registered there June 1999 - Discover Sligo-Land of Heart's Desire.
Registered company October 2005 - Discover Sligo Ltd.
Business name registered October 2008 - Discovery Tours.
So why have a London firm set up your company, Straight Bananas Ltd. in Northern Ireland?
29/06/2011 at 23:26 by Dee Dee Forte
As a neighbour and friend of Lissadell, I really welcome the spirit of Straight Bananas. At last we have a forum for positive discussion and debate, and a platform for new ideas and fresh thinking. I too believe that there is always a solution. There is plenty of goodwill and support out there for Lissadell - local, national and international. We need to seize the opportunity that is now being generated through this initiative and move towards a positive solution. But how do we do this? Is the alternative route the solution? If so, how do we fully resolve the \'problem\' and implement the \'solution\'?
29/06/2011 at 17:26 by I Love Sligo
Some person might hold that this “campaign” is motivated by personal greed”. However, you are mistaken. You also appear unaware of the reality with which many people are grappling daily. You display an unsettling lack of social awareness.
Read and reflect on the section in Straight bananas “All My Get Up And Go Got Up And Went” and then comment.
Read and reflect on the section in Straight bananas “All My Get Up And Go Got Up And Went” and then comment.
29/06/2011 at 15:54 by Keith McNair
@Dee Dee: As a person who prefers the truth you sure use a fake name.
Why the f.... don\'t you just shut up and leave interested (and interesting) people to speak their up their mind.
Why the f.... don\'t you just shut up and leave interested (and interesting) people to speak their up their mind.
29/06/2011 at 14:09 by Sean Healy
As a person who prefers truth and honesty to lies and duplicity, I disapprove of Mr. McNair's attempt to mislead the public with HIS website and HIS leaflets, and his Northern Ireland registered company.
His campaign is motivated by his own personal greed - and that of any of the anonymous "businesses" he claims to represent. What spin-off financial gains would accrue to him, if Lissadell were re-opened?
The words of the Leonard Cohen song are particularly appropriate - "Everybody talking to their pockets."
His campaign is motivated by his own personal greed - and that of any of the anonymous "businesses" he claims to represent. What spin-off financial gains would accrue to him, if Lissadell were re-opened?
The words of the Leonard Cohen song are particularly appropriate - "Everybody talking to their pockets."
29/06/2011 at 13:36 by Dee Dee Forte
the people who bought lissadell house should have been allowed to develop lissadell for the economic good of the region.
but by desire or accident and taken the complex mind and desires of the human we usually manage to destroy what is good and beautifull.
but by desire or accident and taken the complex mind and desires of the human we usually manage to destroy what is good and beautifull.
29/06/2011 at 11:27 by tony
The proposed alternative route is very important should the owners of Lissadell win the supreme court appeal. In that event locals wont have a connvenient walking route to the sea.
I think the alternative route really enhances the Lissadell area for everyone, but I'd love to hear reservations or concerns.
I think the alternative route really enhances the Lissadell area for everyone, but I'd love to hear reservations or concerns.
28/06/2011 at 23:32 by keith McNai
In answer to P Flanagan the route would be a footpath except alongside the quiet public road from the Church to the Forge Entrance and on the quiet public road towards Johnsport.
The total route is about four miles long.
Others would have to decide about payment but it would be a very small fraction of the legal process and would definitely add to Sligo's amenities which benefit all Sligo people and increase the county's tourism revenue.
The total route is about four miles long.
Others would have to decide about payment but it would be a very small fraction of the legal process and would definitely add to Sligo's amenities which benefit all Sligo people and increase the county's tourism revenue.
28/06/2011 at 22:19 by charles henry
Yes there has been a long history of the occupants of Lissadell being blackguarded by various interests including agents of the State. Many will remember the RTE program which detailed the looting of the Estate\'s forestry assets during the period when the
State was in control of the property.
Those pressing for the right to pass and repass close to the House are just being bloodyminded and should be compelled by law to accept the proposed alternative route.
The recent High Court judgment is just unreal!!
State was in control of the property.
Those pressing for the right to pass and repass close to the House are just being bloodyminded and should be compelled by law to accept the proposed alternative route.
The recent High Court judgment is just unreal!!
28/06/2011 at 21:37 by Gerry O\'Donnell
The route described by Charles Henry sounds interesting. I take it its a footpath - but then cars can get to the sea anyway with the public road.
How long a route is it and who would pay for it?
[and by the way, whoever "Dee Dee" is stop being a double D sized TIT and say something or shut up! you are boring.]
How long a route is it and who would pay for it?
[and by the way, whoever "Dee Dee" is stop being a double D sized TIT and say something or shut up! you are boring.]
28/06/2011 at 21:27 by P Flanagan
This is the Charles Henry of Ardtarmon House - described as near Lissadell House- who co-signed a letter published in the Sligo Champion on October 14, 2009 headed "Plea on Lissadell House Case". Google it to see. The co-signer is - KEITH McNAIR on behalf of The Future of Lissadell @gmail.com.
Keith - stop getting your pals to add blogs here. Remember your description - "INDEPENDENT".
BTW I see I did a typo in spelling the name of your Facebook friend Dr. Dan FICHTNER! Your are still his best friend!
Keith - stop getting your pals to add blogs here. Remember your description - "INDEPENDENT".
BTW I see I did a typo in spelling the name of your Facebook friend Dr. Dan FICHTNER! Your are still his best friend!
28/06/2011 at 18:01 by Dee Dee Forte
(continued)
The owners can continue to run and improve Sligo's finest built amenity, while also having their own privacy.
Other locals, Sligo people, Irish and foreign tourists can enjoy a fine walking route through the older, larger Lissadell with various points of interest and they can, when they wish, pay to enjoy the amenities of the property.
All the above parties should openly discuss ways to achieve compromise on the issues.
In months of talking about the alternative route with many people there have been no real objections to it and all view it favourably.
It seems to be the only solution which could suit all sides and avoid further public and/or private legal costs.
The owners can continue to run and improve Sligo's finest built amenity, while also having their own privacy.
Other locals, Sligo people, Irish and foreign tourists can enjoy a fine walking route through the older, larger Lissadell with various points of interest and they can, when they wish, pay to enjoy the amenities of the property.
All the above parties should openly discuss ways to achieve compromise on the issues.
In months of talking about the alternative route with many people there have been no real objections to it and all view it favourably.
It seems to be the only solution which could suit all sides and avoid further public and/or private legal costs.
28/06/2011 at 16:27 by charles henry
The Lissadell issue has been highly divisive and a solution needs to be found which will have benefit for all the parties involved.
The alternative route proposal has the capacity to suit everyone - the owners, LAG, other locals and Sligo people, Irish and foreign tourists, and Sligo County Council.
The council, with small investment, will have a fine amenity which can only help the county's economy.
The LAG will have access to the sea and a marvellous circular walking route. The only people with some disadvantage for shortest access to the sea live along the forge/church avenue and a walking pass for them could be negotiated with the owners, with goodwill on both sides.
The owners would benefit in that visitors would have an extra amenity to enjoy after visiting the house and gardens. Other people walking the route could avail of the teahouse and shop. (continued in following entry)
The alternative route proposal has the capacity to suit everyone - the owners, LAG, other locals and Sligo people, Irish and foreign tourists, and Sligo County Council.
The council, with small investment, will have a fine amenity which can only help the county's economy.
The LAG will have access to the sea and a marvellous circular walking route. The only people with some disadvantage for shortest access to the sea live along the forge/church avenue and a walking pass for them could be negotiated with the owners, with goodwill on both sides.
The owners would benefit in that visitors would have an extra amenity to enjoy after visiting the house and gardens. Other people walking the route could avail of the teahouse and shop. (continued in following entry)
28/06/2011 at 16:21 by charles henry
And - look up Dan Fichtner on Facebook. His first friend listed is - KEITH McNAIR !!! Very "independent", Keith !
28/06/2011 at 14:43 by Dee Dee Forte
See the short blog below allegedly from Dan fichtner Ph.D.
Is this the same Dr. Dan Fitchner to be found on Keith's Discovery Tours website - Letter of thanks from Dr. Dan Fitchner, Sept 2008 - "Dear Keith and Debbie....." ?
What a coincidence ! Busy man, Dan !
Is this the same Dr. Dan Fitchner to be found on Keith's Discovery Tours website - Letter of thanks from Dr. Dan Fitchner, Sept 2008 - "Dear Keith and Debbie....." ?
What a coincidence ! Busy man, Dan !
28/06/2011 at 08:49 by Dee Dee Forte
Why will you not answer the simple question - who else is a member of your "group of independent business people". Answer the question, Keith, and stop waffling. Is that clear enough for you?ANSWER THE QUESTION.
27/06/2011 at 23:04 by Dee Dee Forte
Dee Dee. Let me assure you I am not the only person involved! At this point in time I am contributing to and operating this blog. Each person will choose to engage with the County Council / Lissadell issue in their own way at their own time, which may or may not include contributing to this blog. You can choose to respect that, or not.
I am interested in why you are so reluctant to comment on the proposals presented in Straight Bananas. Are you fixed on one perspective? Are you uncomfortable exploring other perspectives, other people’s opinions? Is it too much to recognise that maybe a win-win resolution might be achievable – a solution that suits everyone?
Members of the Lissadell Action Group, when consulted about the County Council / Lissadell issue, often came across as angry and fearful, even paranoid, and prone to misunderstand and misinterpret facts. I wonder why? For me, this is similar to your comments on this blog. For example, if you read the blog below you will see that "The two young girls in the photograph are not members of the Walsh family." Yet you repeat the assertion that they are Walsh children.
Neither are the two young girls, as you claim, “trying to block access to those entitled to access”. Instead the Straight Bananas leaflet clearly states the girls are showing the narrow tracks of Lissadell avenues along which, it is reported, Sligo Council want access for all types of vehicles.
The Sligo County Council / Lissadell problem will not go away until it is resolved. You might have a lot to contribute to its resolution, for the benefit of everyone, should you choose to engage with the task of this blog: “to help find a solution”.
I am interested in why you are so reluctant to comment on the proposals presented in Straight Bananas. Are you fixed on one perspective? Are you uncomfortable exploring other perspectives, other people’s opinions? Is it too much to recognise that maybe a win-win resolution might be achievable – a solution that suits everyone?
Members of the Lissadell Action Group, when consulted about the County Council / Lissadell issue, often came across as angry and fearful, even paranoid, and prone to misunderstand and misinterpret facts. I wonder why? For me, this is similar to your comments on this blog. For example, if you read the blog below you will see that "The two young girls in the photograph are not members of the Walsh family." Yet you repeat the assertion that they are Walsh children.
Neither are the two young girls, as you claim, “trying to block access to those entitled to access”. Instead the Straight Bananas leaflet clearly states the girls are showing the narrow tracks of Lissadell avenues along which, it is reported, Sligo Council want access for all types of vehicles.
The Sligo County Council / Lissadell problem will not go away until it is resolved. You might have a lot to contribute to its resolution, for the benefit of everyone, should you choose to engage with the task of this blog: “to help find a solution”.
27/06/2011 at 22:49 by Keith McNair
Keith- a group means more than one person. Why will you not say who else is in your "group" ? Is it because you are the only member?
And Dr. Dan, mystery man - the children on the road are Walsh/Cassidy children trying to block access to those entitled to access. Over our dead bodies !
And Dr. Dan, mystery man - the children on the road are Walsh/Cassidy children trying to block access to those entitled to access. Over our dead bodies !
27/06/2011 at 22:16 by Dee Dee Forte
What a mess! Those roads are quite narrow; I wouldn\'t want to meet an oncoming car on one of them. And for the kids lying across the road!
Let\'s hope for a speedy resolution. Sligo is a beautiful town.
dan fichtner
Let\'s hope for a speedy resolution. Sligo is a beautiful town.
dan fichtner
27/06/2011 at 18:14 by Dan fichtner, Ph.D.
Dee Dee, Straight Bananas AS a group of independent business people tried to speak with the council. Many local business people have had input into the views expressed in Straight Bananas. We await your comment on what really matters – namely the issues affecting Sligo County Council, Lissadell and the people of this region. Tell us what you think.
Has Sligo County Council treated the owners of Lissadell justly?
Is it right that Sligo County Council should act only on behalf of a small group of people who happen to live beside Lissadell and who are also senior council staff or involved with state agencies?
Is it right that the Council should refuse to consult, speak with or represent other members of the public?
Do you care about these concerns?
Have you studied the suggested alternative route? Tell us what you think.
Has Sligo County Council treated the owners of Lissadell justly?
Is it right that Sligo County Council should act only on behalf of a small group of people who happen to live beside Lissadell and who are also senior council staff or involved with state agencies?
Is it right that the Council should refuse to consult, speak with or represent other members of the public?
Do you care about these concerns?
Have you studied the suggested alternative route? Tell us what you think.
27/06/2011 at 17:37 by Keith McNair
Wrong again, Keith. Lies will always unfold. Read your own reply to Des, below - "Straight Bananas as a GROUP OF INDEPENDENT BUSINESS PEOPLE..."
27/06/2011 at 16:57 by Dee Dee Forte
Straight Bananas Ltd, Dee Dee, is a private business. It publishes the Straight Bananas bulletin and operates the blog as an open public forum. Everyone, including you, is welcome to participate in the discussion. It is not appropriate to publicise the customer records for any private business.
However, what really matters are the issues of justice. Tell us what you think.
Has Sligo County Council treated the owners of Lissadell justly?
Is it right that Sligo County Council should act on behalf of a small group of people who happen to live beside Lissadell and are also senior council staff or involved with state agencies, while at the same time the Council refuses to consult, speak with or represent other members of the public?
Have the people of Sligo and this region been done a disservice by Sligo County Council?
Has democracy failed?
Do you care about that?
Maybe you have something valuable to contribute to this debate. A resolution is needed, maybe such as that presented in the alternative route proposed by people living near Lissadell.
Have you studied the suggested alternative route? We believe it presents win-win situation for all concerned. Tell us what you think about the proposed alternative route.
However, what really matters are the issues of justice. Tell us what you think.
Has Sligo County Council treated the owners of Lissadell justly?
Is it right that Sligo County Council should act on behalf of a small group of people who happen to live beside Lissadell and are also senior council staff or involved with state agencies, while at the same time the Council refuses to consult, speak with or represent other members of the public?
Have the people of Sligo and this region been done a disservice by Sligo County Council?
Has democracy failed?
Do you care about that?
Maybe you have something valuable to contribute to this debate. A resolution is needed, maybe such as that presented in the alternative route proposed by people living near Lissadell.
Have you studied the suggested alternative route? We believe it presents win-win situation for all concerned. Tell us what you think about the proposed alternative route.
27/06/2011 at 16:41 by Keith McNair
Well Keith, in the interests of openness and transparency please let us know the identities of the businesses which provided funds for the printing of your leaflets. So far, the only person identified is Keith McNair - hiding behind Straight Bananas Ltd.
27/06/2011 at 12:38 by Dee Dee Forte
Dee Dee: Straight Bananas is independent in that it is not owned, controlled nor managed by any body other than the shareholder(s) and director(s), and in this case, specifically neither of the main parties concerned, namely, Sligo County Council nor the Walsh family – although input to the blog from both parties is most welcome.
The two young girls in the photograph are not members of the Walsh family. They are young Sligo residents whose future choice to live and work in the county of their birth will very probably be largely affected by what happens to Lissadell.
The cost of the production and printing of the publication, Straight Bananas, is covered from company funds which to date have come from local businesses.
I agree fully that people who visit this forum should be provided with the truth. Straight Bananas, as you know, is not anonymous. Its information is publicly available. The blog aims to provide a forum where we each can address the County Council / Lissadell problem openly. Please bear in mind that many local people feel frustrated and let down. In the words of another local business person: “There is no mechanism to address the Lissadell situation”. Maybe Straight Bananas can provide such a mechanism so that a resolution, acceptable to all, may be secured.
What really matters are the issues affecting Sligo County Council, Lissadell and the people of this region. A resolution is needed – maybe such as that presented in the alternative route put forward by people living beside Lissadell.
The two young girls in the photograph are not members of the Walsh family. They are young Sligo residents whose future choice to live and work in the county of their birth will very probably be largely affected by what happens to Lissadell.
The cost of the production and printing of the publication, Straight Bananas, is covered from company funds which to date have come from local businesses.
I agree fully that people who visit this forum should be provided with the truth. Straight Bananas, as you know, is not anonymous. Its information is publicly available. The blog aims to provide a forum where we each can address the County Council / Lissadell problem openly. Please bear in mind that many local people feel frustrated and let down. In the words of another local business person: “There is no mechanism to address the Lissadell situation”. Maybe Straight Bananas can provide such a mechanism so that a resolution, acceptable to all, may be secured.
What really matters are the issues affecting Sligo County Council, Lissadell and the people of this region. A resolution is needed – maybe such as that presented in the alternative route put forward by people living beside Lissadell.
27/06/2011 at 12:17 by Keith McNair
Firstly, you have a very strange view of what "independent" means.
Secondly, two questions: where did you get the photograph contained in your leaflet which shows two of the Walsh/Cassidy girls lying on a road? AND who paid for the production and printing of your leaflets? People who visit this forum should be provided with the truth - not with an attempt at anonymity, hiding behind a Northern Ireland registered company. What are YOUR motivations,Keith?
Secondly, two questions: where did you get the photograph contained in your leaflet which shows two of the Walsh/Cassidy girls lying on a road? AND who paid for the production and printing of your leaflets? People who visit this forum should be provided with the truth - not with an attempt at anonymity, hiding behind a Northern Ireland registered company. What are YOUR motivations,Keith?
27/06/2011 at 11:24 by Dee Dee Forte
To be clear, Dee Dee, your comments were not restored because they had not been removed in the firts place.
Straight Bananas is an independent, open forum as evidenced by your contribution to the debate.
What matters are the issues affecting Sligo County Council, Lissadell and the people of this region. A resolution is needed - such as that presented in the alternative route put forward by people living beside Lissadell. Have you any comment on this proposed resolution?
Straight Bananas is an independent, open forum as evidenced by your contribution to the debate.
What matters are the issues affecting Sligo County Council, Lissadell and the people of this region. A resolution is needed - such as that presented in the alternative route put forward by people living beside Lissadell. Have you any comment on this proposed resolution?
27/06/2011 at 10:38 by Keith McNair
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Well, well,well Keith - you restored my comments in response to my request - well done!
Northern Ireland and Ireland are two seperate legal entities and jurisdictions. Your company is registered in Northern Ireland. You are the one and only shareholder of one share. If you are supported by so many business people, why have none the balls to take a share in a company registered in Ireland - the Companies Registration Office in Dublin?
You say that "Straight Bananas has no connection with the Walsh family." You gave evidence on their behalf in their court case. You ARE "Straight Bananas" - the one and only shareholder. Bit devious, Keith! Own up to what you are at, and stop trying to fool people into thinking this is some INDEPENDENT forum. It is not - it is the invention of Keith McNair, a witness for the Walsh family.
Northern Ireland and Ireland are two seperate legal entities and jurisdictions. Your company is registered in Northern Ireland. You are the one and only shareholder of one share. If you are supported by so many business people, why have none the balls to take a share in a company registered in Ireland - the Companies Registration Office in Dublin?
You say that "Straight Bananas has no connection with the Walsh family." You gave evidence on their behalf in their court case. You ARE "Straight Bananas" - the one and only shareholder. Bit devious, Keith! Own up to what you are at, and stop trying to fool people into thinking this is some INDEPENDENT forum. It is not - it is the invention of Keith McNair, a witness for the Walsh family.
27/06/2011 at 09:35 by Dee Dee Forte
Dee Dee had you looked more carefully you would have seen that your blog entries have not been deleted.
Straight Bananas Ltd is not an "English" company. It has its registered office in Enniskillen and is an Irish company. This format is the simplest structure available to publish Straight Bananas, given that the Repubic have not yet facilitated one director companies. All this information is publicly available.
What really matters are the issues affecting Sligo County Council, Lissadell and the people of this region. A resolution is needed - such as that presented in the alternative route put forward by people living beside Lissadell.
Straight Bananas Ltd is not an "English" company. It has its registered office in Enniskillen and is an Irish company. This format is the simplest structure available to publish Straight Bananas, given that the Repubic have not yet facilitated one director companies. All this information is publicly available.
What really matters are the issues affecting Sligo County Council, Lissadell and the people of this region. A resolution is needed - such as that presented in the alternative route put forward by people living beside Lissadell.
27/06/2011 at 09:11 by KeithMcNair
Keith - why did you delete my two earlier comments - revealing that you set up the company Straight Bananas Ltd on 15 June 2011. Why set it up under English law, with an address in Enniskillen? Why are you the one and only shareholder, with one share worth £1 ?
The viewers of this forum will not be fooled by you.
The viewers of this forum will not be fooled by you.
27/06/2011 at 08:11 by Dee Dee Forte
The information presented in Straight Bananas has been gathered by a team of people from a variety of sources, including LAG, Failte Ireland, national and international media, Lissadell estate records, Sligo County Council, Lissadell’s different owners, Judge McMahon, local and national politicians etc.
Mike finds some of Straight Bananas’ figures “exaggerated”. This might confirm how the gravity of the issues, their social and economic impact, have been miscalculated - and under-estimated!
There is a deep sense of frustration among nearly every person consulted by Straight Bananas that a resolution to the County Council / Lissadell situation has not been found. Straight Bananas Ltd is simply an appropriate publishing body. That there is one share holder focuses attention on the issues at stake regarding Sligo County Council and Lissadell. The issues are what matter and are presented for public debate, for each individual to freely assess and to see if a resolution can be found for everyone’s benefit, especially Sligo Council and Lissadell. Straight Bananas has no connection with the Walsh family nor Sligo County Council. It is an independent publication. The Walsh family and Sligo County Council have been mailed copies and are welcome to contribute to this open discussion.
Dee Dee refers to evidence given by Keith Mcnair in the court case referring to the transcript of the meeting between the Council and the Walsh family. Understanding this meeting is possibly central to achieving a resolution and therefore, despite Dee Dee’s opinion, any reference was not inadvertent nor incompetent.
Dee Dee also says that Mr Walsh refused any type of mediation or compromise. It is good to raise this point as it appears to be a commonly held opinion and misunderstood. Straight Bananas, in its research, came across no proposal that did not involve an attack on Lissadell’s integrity as a property – and therefore sadly no acceptable compromise was presented. Does Dee Dee know of any appropriate compromise presented to the Walsh family that did not undermine their private property? If so, please provide details. If not, then it might be reasonable to say that, given the circumstances, the Walsh family have been treated very unfairly by the Council and the reaction by the Walsh family is possibly much more understandable.
1000 Sligo people petitioned Sligo Council to withdraw from the court case. If this had happened, then it might well have created the space for a mediated solution to have been found. The council, sadly, preferred to ignore this petition from the people and threatened legal action against citizens who sought to advance mediation.
We all are in this together and it will be helpful if we together can find a way forward. The new route, identified by people living beside Lissadell, is presented openly to the public in Straight Bananas. It could be win-win situation for everyone. Tell us what you think!
Mike finds some of Straight Bananas’ figures “exaggerated”. This might confirm how the gravity of the issues, their social and economic impact, have been miscalculated - and under-estimated!
There is a deep sense of frustration among nearly every person consulted by Straight Bananas that a resolution to the County Council / Lissadell situation has not been found. Straight Bananas Ltd is simply an appropriate publishing body. That there is one share holder focuses attention on the issues at stake regarding Sligo County Council and Lissadell. The issues are what matter and are presented for public debate, for each individual to freely assess and to see if a resolution can be found for everyone’s benefit, especially Sligo Council and Lissadell. Straight Bananas has no connection with the Walsh family nor Sligo County Council. It is an independent publication. The Walsh family and Sligo County Council have been mailed copies and are welcome to contribute to this open discussion.
Dee Dee refers to evidence given by Keith Mcnair in the court case referring to the transcript of the meeting between the Council and the Walsh family. Understanding this meeting is possibly central to achieving a resolution and therefore, despite Dee Dee’s opinion, any reference was not inadvertent nor incompetent.
Dee Dee also says that Mr Walsh refused any type of mediation or compromise. It is good to raise this point as it appears to be a commonly held opinion and misunderstood. Straight Bananas, in its research, came across no proposal that did not involve an attack on Lissadell’s integrity as a property – and therefore sadly no acceptable compromise was presented. Does Dee Dee know of any appropriate compromise presented to the Walsh family that did not undermine their private property? If so, please provide details. If not, then it might be reasonable to say that, given the circumstances, the Walsh family have been treated very unfairly by the Council and the reaction by the Walsh family is possibly much more understandable.
1000 Sligo people petitioned Sligo Council to withdraw from the court case. If this had happened, then it might well have created the space for a mediated solution to have been found. The council, sadly, preferred to ignore this petition from the people and threatened legal action against citizens who sought to advance mediation.
We all are in this together and it will be helpful if we together can find a way forward. The new route, identified by people living beside Lissadell, is presented openly to the public in Straight Bananas. It could be win-win situation for everyone. Tell us what you think!
26/06/2011 at 23:50 by Keith McNair
What an asshole you are, Keith. If I can track you down in a few minutes, so can anyone else. Companies Made Simple, 145-157 St John Street, London.
I am passing on this information to Joe Leonard, whom you have defamed. No doubt you will be hearing from his lawyers. Then you can get your lawyer buddies the Walsh Cassidys to defend you - will they pay the damages and costs awarded against you? ASSHOLE.
I am passing on this information to Joe Leonard, whom you have defamed. No doubt you will be hearing from his lawyers. Then you can get your lawyer buddies the Walsh Cassidys to defend you - will they pay the damages and costs awarded against you? ASSHOLE.
26/06/2011 at 22:59 by Dee Dee Forte
Mike raised the point that the Walsh family initiated legal proceedings. This is correct and it might be useful to consider what contributed to this action.
The Walsh family bid in an open market for Lissadell. As part of the purchase process they researched the question of rights of way and, with normal due-diligence, received, among other factors, a sworn statement from the owner, Jocelyn Gore-Booth, that he had not granted any rights of way across the property. At the time of purchase, and for a number of years after the Walshs had restored and operated Lissadell, Sligo County Council did not assert public rights of way across the property. Then, years later, Sligo County Council, without notifying or consulting the Walsh family, and without significant debate, voted to amend the county development plan to assert public rights of way across Lissadell. Was this fair, democratically accountable, transparent behaviour? Is it behaviour any citizen would wish to see repeated?
The Walsh family saw the council’s action as an attack on their private property, in which they had invested € 12 million. It is important to recognise, and easy to imagine, how the Walshs felt extremely threatened by the Council’s action.
Discussions ensued between the County Council and the Walsh family. These proved to be very stormy, largely, it seems, because the perceived threat and that the council would not agree to the discussions being recorded, insisting that the discussions to take place “off the record”. One must settle in one’s mind was it reasonable and fair of the Council, given the degree of perceived threat, and the importance of the issues at stake, to refuse to have the negotiations recorded, if even for future reference and accuracy?
Consequently the Walsh family saw the Courts as the most appropriate method to defend their property and so initiated legal proceedings against Sligo County Council.
What would any of us do if we were in their position?
The Walsh family bid in an open market for Lissadell. As part of the purchase process they researched the question of rights of way and, with normal due-diligence, received, among other factors, a sworn statement from the owner, Jocelyn Gore-Booth, that he had not granted any rights of way across the property. At the time of purchase, and for a number of years after the Walshs had restored and operated Lissadell, Sligo County Council did not assert public rights of way across the property. Then, years later, Sligo County Council, without notifying or consulting the Walsh family, and without significant debate, voted to amend the county development plan to assert public rights of way across Lissadell. Was this fair, democratically accountable, transparent behaviour? Is it behaviour any citizen would wish to see repeated?
The Walsh family saw the council’s action as an attack on their private property, in which they had invested € 12 million. It is important to recognise, and easy to imagine, how the Walshs felt extremely threatened by the Council’s action.
Discussions ensued between the County Council and the Walsh family. These proved to be very stormy, largely, it seems, because the perceived threat and that the council would not agree to the discussions being recorded, insisting that the discussions to take place “off the record”. One must settle in one’s mind was it reasonable and fair of the Council, given the degree of perceived threat, and the importance of the issues at stake, to refuse to have the negotiations recorded, if even for future reference and accuracy?
Consequently the Walsh family saw the Courts as the most appropriate method to defend their property and so initiated legal proceedings against Sligo County Council.
What would any of us do if we were in their position?
26/06/2011 at 22:14 by Keith McNair
Mike identifies some very useful issues. It might be useful to consider them further. I’d like to comment on the first point Mike raises, namely the question of high tide at the foreshore and the existing Lissadell avenue via the shellfish farm.
The proposed alternative route covers a few kilometres though very scenic countryside. It provides two pleasant routes from the forestry area on the northern side of Lissadell directly to the seashore, thereby making it unnecessary to pass through Lissadell.
These two routes form a circuit along the foreshore. For a short period of time each day, a few hundred metres of the foreshore can be subject to high tides. This is the same at other beaches including popular places like Rosses Point, Strandhill and the Dorrins Strand driving route. Today at high tide I walked this part of the Lissadell route and, even though it was high tide, I was able to easily walk the connecting few hundred metres. It really is a lovely route – majestic views of ocean and mountain and a vast expanse of open beach. I thought it was much more pleasant than the route via the shellfish farm. This experience augments the opinion that the alternative route is actually better than the existing avenues.
Mike’s proposal about the route via the shellfish farm I feel doesn’t resolve the problems identified in Straight Bananas concerning manageability of the property, not just from a safety perspective, but also concerning Lissadell’s economic sustainability. In a broader context, Lissadell’s sustainability is something we all need to see, especially given the unemployment and economic crisis within our communities.
With regard to Lissadell’s development, there are unambiguous written statements from the owners that they do not wish to exploit Lissadell but rather restore it and operate it as a visitor centre. Such clear statements are to be welcomed and the evidence to date is that the Walsh family will do an outstanding job if they are allowed to get on with it, and that, without cost to the State.
With regard to the safe operation of Lissadell, we need to bear in mind that Lissadell was a farm, and it would be impractical and unsafe to have a public highway running through middle of large working horticultural enterprise.
Taking the above into account, it is not really a question of whether one party is willing to compromise or not. What is needed is a solution that makes the most sense for everyone and in this regard the alternative route may hold the most benefit for everyone.
The proposed alternative route covers a few kilometres though very scenic countryside. It provides two pleasant routes from the forestry area on the northern side of Lissadell directly to the seashore, thereby making it unnecessary to pass through Lissadell.
These two routes form a circuit along the foreshore. For a short period of time each day, a few hundred metres of the foreshore can be subject to high tides. This is the same at other beaches including popular places like Rosses Point, Strandhill and the Dorrins Strand driving route. Today at high tide I walked this part of the Lissadell route and, even though it was high tide, I was able to easily walk the connecting few hundred metres. It really is a lovely route – majestic views of ocean and mountain and a vast expanse of open beach. I thought it was much more pleasant than the route via the shellfish farm. This experience augments the opinion that the alternative route is actually better than the existing avenues.
Mike’s proposal about the route via the shellfish farm I feel doesn’t resolve the problems identified in Straight Bananas concerning manageability of the property, not just from a safety perspective, but also concerning Lissadell’s economic sustainability. In a broader context, Lissadell’s sustainability is something we all need to see, especially given the unemployment and economic crisis within our communities.
With regard to Lissadell’s development, there are unambiguous written statements from the owners that they do not wish to exploit Lissadell but rather restore it and operate it as a visitor centre. Such clear statements are to be welcomed and the evidence to date is that the Walsh family will do an outstanding job if they are allowed to get on with it, and that, without cost to the State.
With regard to the safe operation of Lissadell, we need to bear in mind that Lissadell was a farm, and it would be impractical and unsafe to have a public highway running through middle of large working horticultural enterprise.
Taking the above into account, it is not really a question of whether one party is willing to compromise or not. What is needed is a solution that makes the most sense for everyone and in this regard the alternative route may hold the most benefit for everyone.
26/06/2011 at 21:31 by Keith McNair
Anyone who sees this should know that the Company, Straight Bananas Ltd. with an address in Enniskillen was registered on June 15 2011. There is one shareholder of one £1 share. That person is - Keith Michael McNair!!! Well, well,well!
Mr. McNair gave evidence for the Walsh/Cassidys in their court case, and through his incompetent enthuasiasm to support them, inadvertently let into evidence the transcript of the prior meeting where Mr. Walsh had insulted people and refused ANY mediation or compromise. Go Keith!!!
Mr. McNair gave evidence for the Walsh/Cassidys in their court case, and through his incompetent enthuasiasm to support them, inadvertently let into evidence the transcript of the prior meeting where Mr. Walsh had insulted people and refused ANY mediation or compromise. Go Keith!!!
26/06/2011 at 20:44 by DeeDee Forte
If the people behind this "forum" want it to be taken seriously then they should identify themselves - if there is more than one person involved. It is totally biased, and the leaflet omits to point out that it was the Walsh/Cassidys who started the legal case as Plaintiffs. I have a copy of the transcript of the meeting between them and the Council officials before the legal action commenced - never have I heard such arrogant bullying as came from Mr. Walsh - even to the point of insulting on a personal level the then solicitor for the Council. Why do you not put the transcript on your site - then everyone will see that Mr. Walsh refused any type of compromise. It would not surprise me that he is behind all this - of course through a front. Who are you - I challenge you to identify yourselves.
26/06/2011 at 18:41 by Dee Dee Forte
Interesting proposal but there is a problem with it, in that at high tide you would not be able to walk along the beach to get from existing carpark to proposed car park. It would make more sense to keep right of way along sea road down past shellfish farm to the burrow & along sand track or are the walsh cassidys not prepared to engage in any compromise ? Does it have to be all one way & whu no mention in your leaflet of the fact that they took Co Co to court. Also where are you getting your info on visitor No.s & expenditure ? Surely not the owners themselves. While no doubt they did invest in the property I find their claims & yours by extension quite exagerrated with a lot of spin. This also goes for the claim about the kid "nearly" hit by a car. It is much better to be factual as you were with the varietys of spuds. Hmm then again who told you that ?
25/06/2011 at 23:59 by Mike
In response to Meg’s comments, gratefully received, Straight Bananas, a private business, aims to provide a forum where concerns, in this case the Sligo County Council / Lissadell crisis, can be discussed and possible solutions identified. The carefully researched information presented in Straight Bananas was gathered from a large number of sources, locally and nationally. Straight Bananas represents neither Sligo County Council, LAG nor the owners of Lissadell. It is independent and aims to present in a clear “third voice” the experiences and concerns of many people, many of whom expressed anxiety about speaking out about the situation as well as anxiety about our shared economic and social future.
The decline in visitor numbers to Sligo and the northwest is due, among other things, to government policy bias and inadequate promotion of the NW region, which largely rests with the State tourism agencies. Lissadell has proved it can promote Sligo globally as shown by the influx of more than 75,000 visitors to Lissadell in 2010 alone with input of €20 million euro. In contrast to the greed and financial recklessness that has contributed to the current recession, Lissadell is an excellent example of entrepreneurial vision and generosity. The Walsh family invested 12 million euro without a cent of government grant aid and have established so quickly an attraction that draws people from all over the world. Indeed, this is an immense benefit to Sligo and the northwest, especially in helping to prevent to social and economic erosion that the current recession is now having on our communities.
Straight Bananas makes clear that LAG’s members are some of the local residents. The overwhelming majority of LAG’s members are relatively recent residents of the Lissadell area. Our research indicates that the vast majority of people resident in the Lissadell area respect the right of the owners of Lissadell. However, Straight Bananas holds that in a Republic and a democracy it is inappropriate to give higher regard to one group of people simply because they have lived in an area for a longer period. Likewise it is not fair to give lesser regard to newly arrived citizens. A republic and democracy should cherish the rights of all citizens equally. This is central where Straight Bananas holds that Sligo County Council has failed in its democratic responsibility.
The County Council / Lissadell crisis affects far more than just local residents. The crisis may be symptomatic of cultural behaviour that needs to be addressed in order for Ireland to be able to create the progressive society necessary for its healthy function in the future.
The decline in visitor numbers to Sligo and the northwest is due, among other things, to government policy bias and inadequate promotion of the NW region, which largely rests with the State tourism agencies. Lissadell has proved it can promote Sligo globally as shown by the influx of more than 75,000 visitors to Lissadell in 2010 alone with input of €20 million euro. In contrast to the greed and financial recklessness that has contributed to the current recession, Lissadell is an excellent example of entrepreneurial vision and generosity. The Walsh family invested 12 million euro without a cent of government grant aid and have established so quickly an attraction that draws people from all over the world. Indeed, this is an immense benefit to Sligo and the northwest, especially in helping to prevent to social and economic erosion that the current recession is now having on our communities.
Straight Bananas makes clear that LAG’s members are some of the local residents. The overwhelming majority of LAG’s members are relatively recent residents of the Lissadell area. Our research indicates that the vast majority of people resident in the Lissadell area respect the right of the owners of Lissadell. However, Straight Bananas holds that in a Republic and a democracy it is inappropriate to give higher regard to one group of people simply because they have lived in an area for a longer period. Likewise it is not fair to give lesser regard to newly arrived citizens. A republic and democracy should cherish the rights of all citizens equally. This is central where Straight Bananas holds that Sligo County Council has failed in its democratic responsibility.
The County Council / Lissadell crisis affects far more than just local residents. The crisis may be symptomatic of cultural behaviour that needs to be addressed in order for Ireland to be able to create the progressive society necessary for its healthy function in the future.
24/06/2011 at 11:54 by Keith McNair
I read the straight bananas leaflet, and would question the bipartiality of the authors, who are?? My husband and I have worked in the catering and hospitality/entertainment sector in this region for the last twenty years, and the decline in visitor numbers has nothing to do with the current dispute re. the Walsh's versus LAG and the county council, and everything to do with corporate neo capitalistic greed, resulting in our present recession. However, if Lissadell was up and running as a tourist attraction, it would certainly enhance both visitor numbers, and local jobs. The leaflet does not mention that some of the people mentioned as being members of Sligo Co. Council were also born and bred near Lissadell. A minor ommission, but one wonders why it was not mentioned. I have left the area,so the right of way doesnt affect me, but wd like to see compromise without a court battle.
23/06/2011 at 20:06 by meg mcauley
Hi Des, Thank you very much for your comments. Straight Bananas, as a group of independent local business people, tried on many occasions to speak with the County Council and members of the Lissadell Action group but we found many of them most unwilling to discuss the situation. One response was even a senior council executive threatening legal action if we continued to speak with him. Nearly local 1000 people asked the council to withdraw from the case so that mediation could take place, but the council refused to accept our petition. This is an affront to local democracy. Our research confirms that other attempts at mediation proved inadequate. I understand that if two parties are in dispute an independent third party, acceptable to both parties is required. We understand that no third such party was presented. Our research shows that the closest one came to mediation was the offer from the county manager that the council would only claim two roads instead of four. This was still an attack on private property and we understand that no-one could have confidence to enter into talks whilst such a threat to ones property is offered as a resolution.
We conducted extensive research before we published Straight Bananas and each element is based on well researched and documentary evidence. The purpose of the publication and even this blog is to increase the awareness of this crisis, to hear all sides and to encourage us all to work for a solution. As the operator of small, locally-based businesses, I know the importance of the likes of Lissadell in sustaining local employment – and this boils down to feeding our children! As a community we are facing unprecedented economic and social crisis. At a local level successfully operated resources like Lissadell can help drive us through this crisis, about which surely none of us can afford to be complacent. But how do we find a solution?
Other locals have put forward the alternative route. I have walked it and think it is a superb option – a win-win situation for everyone!
We conducted extensive research before we published Straight Bananas and each element is based on well researched and documentary evidence. The purpose of the publication and even this blog is to increase the awareness of this crisis, to hear all sides and to encourage us all to work for a solution. As the operator of small, locally-based businesses, I know the importance of the likes of Lissadell in sustaining local employment – and this boils down to feeding our children! As a community we are facing unprecedented economic and social crisis. At a local level successfully operated resources like Lissadell can help drive us through this crisis, about which surely none of us can afford to be complacent. But how do we find a solution?
Other locals have put forward the alternative route. I have walked it and think it is a superb option – a win-win situation for everyone!
23/06/2011 at 10:49 by Keith McNair
Eugene, thankyou for your comments. Many people we have spoken with are puzzled why there was such little coverage of the Sligo County Council / Lissadell crisis especially in the local media. It seems the local media dont fully appreciate the immense social, community and economic benefit that a resource like Lissadell can make to Sligo, espcially in these extremely demanding econimic times, when so many people, especially are well-educated, skilled workers, see no option but toleave the country.
23/06/2011 at 10:26 by Keith McNair
Many thanks on the newsletter.
The nature of local media in history is that they \'\'took sides.\'\' I welcome that part of your newsletter. Indeed the Council itself spends public money in a (highly) partisan way to disseminate arguments.
The name of \'\'Lissadell\' is part of my history of growing up for 60 years. Indeed Madame Markievicz was a close family friend way back in political struggles.
In history there was wrong on both sides...at different times... times, too, historically, even where the sense of \'\'vengence Bejasus\'\' seemed justified or understandable.
I read every single line of transcript in High Court In Lissadell case. The overall decision baffled me. Am 100% in agreement with your newsletter on that. Local newspapers gave poor coverage to that day-to-day hearing, so I would like to see all transcripts bound and placed in public library for future local historians.
The nature of local media in history is that they \'\'took sides.\'\' I welcome that part of your newsletter. Indeed the Council itself spends public money in a (highly) partisan way to disseminate arguments.
The name of \'\'Lissadell\' is part of my history of growing up for 60 years. Indeed Madame Markievicz was a close family friend way back in political struggles.
In history there was wrong on both sides...at different times... times, too, historically, even where the sense of \'\'vengence Bejasus\'\' seemed justified or understandable.
I read every single line of transcript in High Court In Lissadell case. The overall decision baffled me. Am 100% in agreement with your newsletter on that. Local newspapers gave poor coverage to that day-to-day hearing, so I would like to see all transcripts bound and placed in public library for future local historians.
22/06/2011 at 17:27 by Eugene McGloin
Dear Keith, While i agree whole-heartedly that it is a disgrace that Lissadel which is one of the best developments in Sligo in the recent years is now closed, I feel that this publication is extremely one-sided and mis-leading. Is it not the truth that the Walshs were approached on several occasions for mediation talks but they weren't interested as they preferred to take the legal route which with they are very familar with. I agree that Sligo and the Walshs as well as the future of Lisadell house are the biggest losers in what I believe is a clash of Egos, but that of the County manager/local councillors and the new owners of Lisadell (whom have one a wonderful job re-igniting the tourist flame that once existed in County Sligo).
It's way past time for common sense to prevail, €9million in unpaid legal bills, which neither side can pay, another Nama property? Time for some "Cop on"1
It's way past time for common sense to prevail, €9million in unpaid legal bills, which neither side can pay, another Nama property? Time for some "Cop on"1
22/06/2011 at 16:54 by Des Faul
I am particularly interested in what others think about the proposed alternative route. Sounds like a great idea - could solve the whole situation.
22/06/2011 at 14:30 by Keith McNair